The translational force on a piece of iron in a magnetic field

1. Feb 9, 2013

deep838

Ok so if there be a piece of iron in a uniform magnetc field B, what will be the force on the iron?
You can assume any variable you want, but i want to find the magnetic force that causes the iron pieces to move towards the magnet in terms of any variables, like it corss-sectional area, length, position etc.

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2. Feb 9, 2013

Staff: Mentor

The net force is 0. There might be a torque, depending on the orientation of the iron and its magnetic field (if present) and the external magnetic field.
You need a field which is not uniform to move magnets.

3. Feb 9, 2013

deep838

Oops... sorry! i forgot that! what i really had in mind was the force exerted on the iron by a bar magnet.... in that case the field is not unifrom.... sorry for that bit of wrong info! Anyway, i plan to first find the pole strength that develops on either faces of the iron and then use F=sB, s=pole strength... So how do i get my s?

4. Feb 10, 2013

Staff: Mentor

5. Feb 11, 2013

deep838

Isn't the field inside the iron bar B=μ(I+H) where H= magnetizing filed and I= intensity of magnetization?
But then what to do? I need to find the developed pole strengths first, right?
How do I do that?

6. Feb 11, 2013

Staff: Mentor

A magnet does not consist of two separate poles. If you know the magnetic field (and assume it is the same everywhere in the magnet), it is fine.

7. Feb 11, 2013

deep838

Tell me one thing.... to obtain the force on a magnetic material why should'nt I multiply the inensity B with the developed pole strength in the material (s)?
Have I got a misconception about these things? Please help me. I am absolutely at a loss now!

8. Feb 12, 2013

Staff: Mentor

I think it is a detour. It is possible, but you just multiply with things (like the volume) and divide by them again afterwards.

9. Feb 12, 2013

deep838

Ok... One more thing, does the developed pole strength at each end of the iron bar change with its position? I think the pole strength will keep varying as a function of the field the iron bar is in. Am I right?

By using the properties of the material, I got an equation for the pole strength. Its given by,
s=χBA/μ , where χ is the susceptibility of iron, B is the field it is kept in, A is its cross-sectional area and μ is the permeability of the surrounding medium. Is this correct?

10. Feb 12, 2013

Staff: Mentor

Right.

I would expect the length somewhere, too, but it could be true.

11. Feb 12, 2013

deep838

Well surprisingly enough, the length canceled when i equated the magnetizing field in terms of the moment and the volume. Here it is:

I=M/V=M/A.l=s.l.M^/Al=M^s/A
Then again, χ=I/H=Iμ/B... and then the above expression of the pole strength