Hello, I was tempted to put this in the math section but it is more of a visualization problem though it is most likley due to my lack of understanding the divergence and curl operators fully. I am comfortable with the closed loop integral of E dot dA and can visualize it as a solid closed surface. However when I think of the divergence of the E vector I think of a tiny little peice of the E vector. How can these be the same thing? Same goes for the Curl vector being the same as the closed loop integral of a line. In 8.02 they used the integral form, in 8.03 they are using the differential form and now I am confused.