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The discussion revolves around understanding function composition in calculus, specifically with the functions S(x) = x^2, P(x) = 2^x, and s(x) = sin x. The original poster seeks clarification on evaluating composite functions, particularly (S o P)(y) and (S o P o s)(t) + (s o P)(t), and is struggling with the reasoning behind the expected answers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of function composition and how to apply it to the given functions. There is an exploration of the definitions of S and P, with attempts to clarify the operations involved. Questions arise regarding the substitution process and the interpretation of the notation used.

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Some participants have offered insights into the operations and definitions of the functions, while others have pointed out potential misunderstandings in the original poster's reasoning. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

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The original poster expresses a need for step-by-step guidance due to a lack of confidence in their math skills. There is also mention of differing notations and potential confusion regarding the application of function definitions.

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Hey I've been lurking on this forum all day trying to find answers / help to problems I can't solve in my calculus text. So I finally got the bright idea to make an account and ask questions :)

Although first I want to mention that I'm very rusty in math so I may need the special step by step for dummies aid :p

Ok I'm the beginning chapters of this textbook so this will mostly be easy stuff that I'm having trouble completing

The problem is:

Let S(x) = X^2, Let P(x) = 2^x, let s(x) = sin x. Find each of the following. In each case your answer should be a number.

these are the two parts I need help on

i) (S o P)(y)
iii) (S o P o s)(t) + (s o P)(t)

For (S o P)(y) I know:

(S o P)(y) = S(P(y) = S(2^x(y)) = x^2(2^x(y)), but on the back of the book the answer is 2^2y I'm not sure how the author derived this answer. could someone maybe explain this and the otherone step by step so maybe I can under stand it?
 
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Fri said:
Hey I've been lurking on this forum all day trying to find answers / help to problems I can't solve in my calculus text. So I finally got the bright idea to make an account and ask questions :)

Although first I want to mention that I'm very rusty in math so I may need the special step by step for dummies aid :p

Ok I'm the beginning chapters of this textbook so this will mostly be easy stuff that I'm having trouble completing

The problem is:

Let S(x) = X^2, Let P(x) = 2^x, let s(x) = sin x. Find each of the following. In each case your answer should be a number.

these are the two parts I need help on

i) (S o P)(y)
iii) (S o P o s)(t) + (s o P)(t)

For (S o P)(y) I know:

(S o P)(y) = S(P(y) = S(2^x(y)) = x^2(2^x(y)), but on the back of the book the answer is 2^2y I'm not sure how the author derived this answer. could someone maybe explain this and the otherone step by step so maybe I can under stand it?

What is S(z)? What do you get when you substitute z = P(y) into S(z)?
 
Fri said:
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i) (S o P)(y)
iii) (S o P o s)(t) + (s o P)(t)

For (S o P)(y) I know:

(S o P)(y) = S(P(y) = S(2^x(y)) = x^2(2^x(y)), but on the back of the book the answer is 2^2y I'm not sure how the author derived this answer. could someone maybe explain this and the other one step by step so maybe I can under stand it?

S(P(y) = (P(y))2 .

P(y) = 2y .

Combine those !
 
The o in (S o P) signifies do operation S on P. S(x) = x^2 defines the operation S, It says square the thing (x, whatever x is) that S operates on. Whether that thing is a quantity, or another operation. S(x) = x^2, so S o P(y) is P(y)^2. (OK there is a trouble here, they are using two different notations for operations but you seem to have seen though that.)

Your S(P(y)) = S(2^x(y)) = x^2(2^x(y)) is wrong or confused – the operators are operating on something which does not contain x, so x should ever appear at any point in the calculation.

P(y)^2 is by rigid carrying over of the formula definition of P, (2^y)^2.
To see how the result follows you may need to revise algebra of indices.
 
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