The uncertainty principle and electric field strength

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the uncertainty principle and electric field strength, exploring theoretical implications within quantum field theory and gauge theories. Participants examine the nature of canonical conjugate field operators and their implications for uncertainty relations.

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  • One participant questions what physical quantity becomes less precisely known as electric field strength is measured more accurately.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no direct analogue of the uncertainty principle in quantum field theory.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the Maxwell Lagrangian and the existence of three pairs of canonical conjugate field operators, indicating a complex relationship between electric field strength and uncertainty.
  • Participants discuss the implications of gauge theories, noting the need to eliminate unphysical degrees of freedom to arrive at physical polarizations.
  • Fourier decomposition is mentioned as a method to introduce creation and annihilation operators, leading to a derived uncertainty principle for the Fourier modes of the electric field and vector potential.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of operators in quantum field theory, including distinctions between bosonic and fermionic relations.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the uncertainty principle within the context of quantum field theory, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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The discussion includes complex theoretical constructs that may depend on specific definitions and assumptions related to gauge theories and quantum field theory, which are not fully resolved within the thread.

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As my knowledge of an electric field strength becomes more precise, what physical quantity becomes correspondingly less precisely known?
 
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There's no (direct) analogue of the "uncertainy principle" in quantum field theory.
 
dextercioby said:
There's no (direct) analogue of the "uncertainy principle" in quantum field theory.
One can start with the Maxwell Lagrangian and show that there are three pairs of canonical conjugate field operators

[tex][A_i(x),E_k(y)] = i\,\delta_{ik}\,\delta^{(3)}(x-y)[/tex]

The problem is that we have a gauge theory, so there are unphysical d.o.f. which we have to eliminate; a first choice is the A°=0 gauge b/c for A° there's no E° due to the antisymmetry of the field strength tensor F and therefore ∂°A° is not present in F. Even then not all three i=1..3 are physical, we have to eliminate a second one to arrive at two physical polarizations.

Using Fourier decomposition one can introduce creation and annihilation operators for the fields; in terms of these operators it becomes clear that the canonically conjugate pair x,p is replaced by something like the Fourier modes of A and E, therefore one can derive an uncertainty principle for A(k) and E(k) where k is representing momentum space.
 
Thank you both. Good stuff. : )
 
tom.stoer said:

One can start with the Maxwell Lagrangian and show that there are three pairs of canonical conjugate field operators

[tex][A_i(x),E_k(y)] = i\,\delta_{ik}\,\delta^{(3)}(x-y)[/tex]

The problem is that we have a gauge theory, so there are unphysical d.o.f. which we have to eliminate; a first choice is the A°=0 gauge b/c for A° there's no E° due to the antisymmetry of the field strength tensor F and therefore ∂°A° is not present in F. Even then not all three i=1..3 are physical, we have to eliminate a second one to arrive at two physical polarizations.

Using Fourier decomposition one can introduce creation and annihilation operators for the fields; in terms of these operators it becomes clear that the canonically conjugate pair x,p is replaced by something like the Fourier modes of A and E, therefore one can derive an uncertainty principle for A(k) and E(k) where k is representing momentum space.

Here A are operators,similarly in quantum field theory these exist these kinds of relation for bosons and also for fermions but that is rather anticommutation.
 

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