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moe darklight
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tgt said:The world is an unfair place, even in well off areas such as America and certainly not the most ideal of places. So why do want continue to want offsprings?
would you rather not being alive?
tgt said:The world is an unfair place, even in well off areas such as America and certainly not the most ideal of places. So why do want continue to want offsprings?
tgt said:The world is an unfair place
neu said:As for the opening post, I was discussing this with a friend recently how I thought that having children was such a strong statement that "I want to bring life into this world" yet most parents probably wouldn't have considered this as their motivation at all. I think that this line of thought, like most existentialism, is somewhat non-applicable to life choices as humans are fundamentaly irrational creatures with little control over what we want/"need", and to try and alter our decision based upon existential lines of thought is to deprive ourselves of being Human to some degree.
moe darklight said:would you rather not being alive?
Moonbear said:And that's why it's irrational. Expecting some sort of utopia is not at all realistic. If one waited for a utopia to have children, the planet would have no humans on it.
tgt said:I'm not expecting any utopia. Another view of seeing what I'm trying to get at is that I have very high expectations of the world around me and if those expectations are not met then I'd rather not live. That is completely rational. The irrational me would just try to rob the honest people and try to find as many beautiful girls as possible.
moe darklight said:would you rather not being alive?
WarPhalange said:That question doesn't make sense. Having to choose between consciousness and not being conscious when you have never felt the latter is an impossible decision.
tgt said:The world is an unfair place, even in well off areas such as America and certainly not the most ideal of places. So why do want continue to want offsprings?
I think that the answer is that the people who do have offsprings don't care about the unfairness.
The irrational me would just try to rob the honest people and try to find as many beautiful girls as possible.
No, that's not rational. Unrealistically high expectations are never rational. Nor is it rational to look at things, decide they aren't going the way to like, and decide you'd rather just not exist. A rational person looks at a problem and tries to find a solution.tgt said:Another view of seeing what I'm trying to get at is that I have very high expectations of the world around me and if those expectations are not met then I'd rather not live. That is completely rational.
How is that irrational, actually? The first part might land you in jail, but since you think the world is awful and not worth living in anyway, jail can't be any worse. Not that I'm advocating it, but it's not entirely an irrational choice. And, as for the second part, that's exactly what most men set out to do (the women try to find as many great men as possible...and yeah, some exceptions on either side). The more you meet, the better your chances are of finding one who will reproduce with you.The irrational me would just try to rob the honest people and try to find as many beautiful girls as possible.
Edmund Burke said:All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.
Cyrus said:You have 'expectations of the world' ...?
I don't expect the world to do squat.
Moonbear said:No, that's not rational. Unrealistically high expectations are never rational. Nor is it rational to look at things, decide they aren't going the way to like, and decide you'd rather just not exist. A rational person looks at a problem and tries to find a solution. How is that irrational, actually? The first part might land you in jail, but since you think the world is awful and not worth living in anyway, jail can't be any worse. Not that I'm advocating it, but it's not entirely an irrational choice. And, as for the second part, that's exactly what most men set out to do (the women try to find as many great men as possible...and yeah, some exceptions on either side). The more you meet, the better your chances are of finding one who will reproduce with you.
The choices you're presenting aren't rational, they are rationalizing...attempting to justify an irrational act to yourself or others.
But, basically, you've failed to show any connection in your argument of why unfairness in the world should be a limitation for procreation.
Maybe you just don't like children and have no interest in reproducing and are attempting to explain that to yourself rather than just accepting that's who you are?
Think about what one wrote! What does Cyrus have to do with passing one's reproduction?tgt said:The point is if you want me to pass down my genes then it better be a bloody good world for the genes to survive in.
Umm - why not simply do what one can do to make the world somewhat better - fairer?Otherwise, which is the case of our world, I'd rather not pass down my genes and further would rather not have lived.
tgt said:The world is an unfair place, even in well off areas such as America and certainly not the most ideal of places. So why do want continue to want offsprings?
I think that the answer is that the people who do have offsprings don't care about the unfairness.
jimmysnyder said:Does this help?
I'm sorry you feel that way. They always speak well of you.tgt said:A little but I believe good men don't exist.
Why?tgt said:The point is if you want me to pass down my genes then it better be a bloody good world for the genes to survive in. Otherwise, which is the case of our world, I'd rather not pass down my genes and further would rather not have lived.
tgt said:I don't just hate children, I also hate living myself. And yes, I hate other livings things as well like most animals.