Theoretical/non-tedious question about power series solution of y'' + y = 0

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The discussion revolves around finding a recurrence formula for the power series solution of the differential equation y'' + y = 0, specifically focusing on the nature of the point x = 0 as an ordinary point and its implications for power series solutions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of x = 0 being an ordinary point versus not being one, particularly regarding the existence of power series solutions. They also inquire about the nature of power series expansions around other finite real points and whether those points need to be strictly real.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of power series solutions when x = 0 is an ordinary point, while others are probing further into the implications of choosing different points for expansion and the conditions under which solutions exist.

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There is a focus on the definitions of ordinary and singular points in the context of differential equations, as well as the constraints of the course material regarding the depth of exploration into these concepts.

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1. "Homework Statement
Find a recurrence formula for the power series solution around x = 0 for the differential equation given in the previous problem."

The previous problem says:
"Determine whether x = 0 is an ordinary point of the differential equation y'' + y = 0."


Homework Equations


Power series and related stuff.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have the solutions for both of these problems and I also know how to do them both. My question is just:

If x = 0 was not an ordinary point, what would that mean? Would that mean that I cannot assume a power series solution of the form y = [n=0 to inf] Σ[a_n (x - x_0)^n] (where x_0 = 0 in this case) exists or what?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
 
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s3a said:
1. "Homework Statement
Find a recurrence formula for the power series solution around x = 0 for the differential equation given in the previous problem."

The previous problem says:
"Determine whether x = 0 is an ordinary point of the differential equation y'' + y = 0."

Homework Equations


Power series and related stuff.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have the solutions for both of these problems and I also know how to do them both. My question is just:

If x = 0 was not an ordinary point, what would that mean? Would that mean that I cannot assume a power series solution of the form y = [n=0 to inf] Σ[a_n (x - x_0)^n] (where x_0 = 0 in this case) exists or what?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance!

If ##x=0## is a regular singular point, your series has to look like$$
\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nx^{n+r}$$
 
Thanks for your answer. I have a bit more to ask though.

It seems that I can assume there exists a solution y = Σ from n = 0 to inf of a_n * x^n if x = 0 is an ordinary point. I asked what would happen if x = 0 were not an ordinary point and your answer was good for me but now I want to know what if the question asked me to find the power series solution about x = {any one chosen finite real} and if x = {that same one chosen finite real} is an ordinary point, then would that still mean that a solution of the form y = Σ from n = 0 to inf of a_n * x^n exists?

Also does it have to strictly be a real? I'm not looking to go too deep because my course doesn't require it but I just want to know if the answer is a yes or no since I plan to study this further for fun when I am done school.
 
s3a said:
Thanks for your answer. I have a bit more to ask though.

It seems that I can assume there exists a solution y = Σ from n = 0 to inf of a_n * x^n if x = 0 is an ordinary point. I asked what would happen if x = 0 were not an ordinary point and your answer was good for me but now I want to know what if the question asked me to find the power series solution about x = {any one chosen finite real} and if x = {that same one chosen finite real} is an ordinary point, then would that still mean that a solution of the form y = Σ from n = 0 to inf of a_n * x^n exists?

Also does it have to strictly be a real? I'm not looking to go too deep because my course doesn't require it but I just want to know if the answer is a yes or no since I plan to study this further for fun when I am done school.

If ##x=a## is an ordinary point and you want the expansion around that point, you would use a Taylor series centered at ##a##:$$
y=\sum_{n=0}^\infty c_n(x-a)^n$$
 

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