Theory of shells , Membrane theory

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The discussion revolves around the membrane theory of shells, particularly in the context of designing spherical domes. Participants seek clarification on the derivation of membrane theory, its application in structural engineering, and related concepts such as edge effects and stress distribution in shell structures.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the derivation of membrane theory and requests assistance.
  • Another participant describes a membrane as a thin, flexible element and suggests using Mohr's Circle to analyze stress on a membrane shell.
  • A participant acknowledges the assumptions in membrane theory for thin concrete shells but seeks clarification on specific terms in Timoshenko's work.
  • There is a mention of a lack of educational resources on shell theory compared to beam and plate bending theory.
  • A suggestion is made to consult Den Hartog's work for a better understanding of membrane stresses in shells.
  • Participants discuss the importance of minimizing bending stresses in shell design to enhance load-bearing capacity.
  • One participant shares their positive experience with the book "THIN SHELL CONCRETE STRUCTURES" by Billington.
  • A participant mentions their upcoming design of a hemispherical dome and expresses interest in literature on edge effects.
  • There is a question regarding the equality of normal stress on all sides of a stress block, with a participant noting potential differences in hoop and meridian stresses.
  • Another participant seeks help with applying formulas for forces and moments in spherical shells with fixed edges.
  • A request is made for clarification on the units used in specific formulas related to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the concepts discussed. Some acknowledge the complexity of the topic, while others provide differing viewpoints on specific aspects of membrane theory and stress analysis. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific pages in Timoshenko's work and other literature, indicating that there may be limitations in understanding due to missing assumptions or prerequisites in differential geometry. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions and the complexity of applying theoretical concepts to practical design.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals in structural engineering, particularly those interested in shell structures, membrane theory, and related design challenges.

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I am working on a design of a spherical dome.

I tried to understand membrane theory with no success.Can anyone please help me with an clear explanation to derivation of membrane theory of shells.
 
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That is a pretty fuzzy question, but here are a few thoughts.

A typical membrane is a thin, flexible element like a rubber sheet. Thus a filled rubber balloon is a membrane shell.

Try drawing a Mohr's Circle for an element on the surface of a balloon. What you should find is that there is equal normal stress on all four sides of your stress block, no matter how it is oriented.

Does this get you started on membrane theory?
 
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yes,thank you.

yup , i agree. That is a fuzzy question.

I do understand the assumptions involved in membrane theory for designing a thin concrete shell structure. But i do not follow the derivation of it. I am doing my masters in structural engineering and I have never had classes in deferential geometry before.

( The following pages are not subject to copyrights.
  1. Theory of Plates and Shells by Stephen Timoshenko
  2. Published: 1940 )
why does the normal forces ,shear forces (pg 429 )bending and twisting moment have the term (1 - z/r) (pg 430)
Can you please explain pg 431.
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There are a lot of video lectures for beam bending theory and classical plate bending theory, but there are almost none for theory of shells:nb)
 
Before tackling Timoshenko, let me suggest that you look at Den Hartog's Advanced Strength of Materials, McGraw-Hill, 1952, Ch III, "Membrane Stresses in Shells." On p. 78, Den Hartog addresses a spherical tank design problem, so this might be particularly relevant.

Specifically to your question from Timoshenko, "why does the normal forces ,shear forces (pg 429 )bending and twisting moment have the term (1 - z/r) (pg 430)," the answer is that Timoshenko is expressing the variation the stress through the thickness of the shell, much like assuming a linear variation of strain and stress through the depth of a beam in ordinary beam theory.
 
Generally speaking, an optimal design of a shell would ensure that stresses caused by the bending moments are small in comparison with the stresses caused by membrane forces. That would ensure that the shell would have good load bearing capacity and at the same time its thickness can be small compared with the shell overall span (as a result, the shell weight can be reduced). There is a special class of shells called shallow: the shell curvature is small, so it is "almost a plate" (so to say), but at the same time the distribution of internal stresses is such that the compression forces play the major role in the stress distribution under loading. You may want to have a look at the following webpage: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~comecau/quad_shell_shallow_shell.htm
(at the bottom of the page there is a reference to a book devoted, in particular, to that subject).
 
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Thankyou
 
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I am going through the book "THIN SHELL CONCRETE STRUCTURES", Billington. It is quite good.
 
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You are welcome. One of the reasons why I gave reference to that book is because it contains, in particular, working source codes that you may use and/or adapt for your problem (the theoretical background is also profound and presented accordingly).
 
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Membrane theory derivation is not hard to follow at all. I think I did get a little rusty.

I will be soon designing an RC dome. Since it is going to be hemispherical ,there will not be any additional forces due to edge effects. But still I would like to know more about edge effects.

I am reading edge effects on shell structures. Can you suggest any literature for reading.
 
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That is a pretty fuzzy question, but here are a few thoughts.

A typical membrane is a thin, flexible element like a rubber sheet. Thus a filled rubber balloon is a membrane shell.

Try drawing a Mohr's Circle for an element on the surface of a balloon. What you should find is that there is equal normal stress on all four sides of your stress block, no matter how it is oriented.

Does this get you started on membrane theory?

Thank you. The derivation was not tough to follow.

But I do have a question. Why does normal stress on all four sides of stress block has to be equal.

I think hoop stress and meridian stress will have different values.
 

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I am now doing an analysis on spherical domes with fixed edges. I am quite confused on applying the formula for forces and moments in a spherical shell due to edge forces. please help.
 
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Can somebody please tell me what units these values in the formula are?
 

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