Therefore, $\sinh{(4-j3)} = \cos{(3)}\sinh{(4)} - \mathrm{i}\sin{(3)}\cosh{(4)}$

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The discussion revolves around evaluating complex expressions, specifically $\cos(1+j)$ and $\sinh(4-j3)$, and expressing the results in rectangular form. The conversation includes theoretical explorations of complex functions and identities, as well as attempts to clarify the steps involved in the calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for using $\mathrm{i}$ instead of $\mathrm{j}$ to denote the imaginary unit.
  • One participant outlines the use of Euler's formula to derive expressions for $\cos(1+\mathrm{i})$ and $\sin(\mathrm{i})$, leading to a complex representation.
  • Another participant questions the manipulation of the sine function involving the imaginary unit, suggesting an alternative interpretation of the equation.
  • A later reply provides a detailed evaluation of $\sinh(4-j3)$, breaking down the expression using exponential forms and trigonometric identities.
  • Participants discuss the final form of the expression for $\sinh(4-j3)$, which is presented as $\cos(3)\sinh(4) - \mathrm{i}\sin(3)\cosh(4)$, with some clarifying the steps leading to this result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the notation for the imaginary unit, as some participants prefer $\mathrm{i}$ while others use $\mathrm{j}$. Additionally, there are differing interpretations of the manipulation of sine functions involving complex numbers, indicating a lack of agreement on that aspect of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the steps in the derivation of sine and cosine functions for complex arguments, particularly in the context of using Euler's formula. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, and the discussion reflects varying levels of understanding of complex analysis.

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Evaluate the following expressions, expressing answers in rectangular form.

1. $\cos(1+j)$
2.$\sinh(4-j3)$

can you help me on how to solve these problems.

thanks in advance!
 
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paulmdrdo said:
Evaluate the following expressions, expressing answers in rectangular form.

1. $\cos(1+j)$
2.$\sinh(4-j3)$

can you help me on how to solve these problems.

thanks in advance!

First of all, I refuse to use $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathrm{j} \end{align*}$ to represent the imaginary unit, I use $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathrm{i} \end{align*}$. Now...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cos{ \left( \alpha + \beta \right) } &\equiv \cos{ \left( \alpha \right) } \cos{ \left( \beta \right) } - \sin{ \left( \alpha \right) } \sin{ \left( \beta \right) } \end{align*}$

so

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cos{ \left( 1 + \mathrm{i} \right) } &= \cos{ \left( 1 \right) } \cos{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } - \sin{ \left( 1 \right) } \sin{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } \end{align*}$

Playing around a bit with Euler's formula we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i} \, \theta} &= \cos{ \left( \theta \right) } + \mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \\ \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} &= \cos{ \left( -\theta \right) } + \mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( -\theta \right) } \\ &= \cos{ \left( \theta \right) } - \mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \\ \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} + \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} &= 2\cos{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \\ \cos{ \left( \theta \right) } &= \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} + \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} \right) \\ \\ \cos{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } &= \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}^2} + \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}^2} \right) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{-1} + \mathrm{e}^{1} \right) \\ &= \cosh{ \left( 1 \right) } \\ \\ \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} &= 2\mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \mathrm{i} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} \right) &= -2\sin{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \sin{ \left( \theta \right) } &= -\frac{\mathrm{i}}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} \right) \\ \\ \sin{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } &= -\frac{\mathrm{i}}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}^2} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}^2} \right) \\ &= -\frac{\mathrm{i}}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{-1} - \mathrm{e}^{1} \right) \\ &= \frac{\mathrm{i}}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{1} - \mathrm{e}^{-1} \right) \\ &= \mathrm{i}\sinh{ \left( 1 \right) } \end{align*}$

Thus:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cos{ \left( 1 + \mathrm{i} \right) } &= \cos{ \left( 1 \right) } \cos{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } - \sin{ \left( 1 \right) } \sin{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } \\ &= \cos{ \left( 1 \right) } \cosh{ \left( 1 \right) } - \sin{ \left( 1 \right) } \left[ \mathrm{i}\sinh{ \left( 1 \right) } \right] \\ &= \cos{ \left( 1 \right) } \cosh{ \left( 1 \right) } - \mathrm{i} \sin{ \left( 1 \right) } \sinh{ \left( 1 \right) } \end{align*}$
 
how would you express that in rectangular form?
 
Prove It said:
First of all, I refuse to use $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathrm{j} \end{align*}$ to represent the imaginary unit, I use $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathrm{i} \end{align*}$. Now...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cos{ \left( \alpha + \beta \right) } &\equiv \cos{ \left( \alpha \right) } \cos{ \left( \beta \right) } - \sin{ \left( \alpha \right) } \sin{ \left( \beta \right) } \end{align*}$

so

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cos{ \left( 1 + \mathrm{i} \right) } &= \cos{ \left( 1 \right) } \cos{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } - \sin{ \left( 1 \right) } \sin{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } \end{align*}$

Playing around a bit with Euler's formula we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i} \, \theta} &= \cos{ \left( \theta \right) } + \mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \\ \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} &= \cos{ \left( -\theta \right) } + \mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( -\theta \right) } \\ &= \cos{ \left( \theta \right) } - \mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \\ \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} + \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} &= 2\cos{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \\ \cos{ \left( \theta \right) } &= \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} + \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} \right) \\ \\ \cos{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } &= \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}^2} + \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}^2} \right) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{-1} + \mathrm{e}^{1} \right) \\ &= \cosh{ \left( 1 \right) } \\ \\ \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} &= 2\mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \mathrm{i} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} \right) &= -2\sin{ \left( \theta \right) } \\ \sin{ \left( \theta \right) } &= -\frac{\mathrm{i}}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\,\theta} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}\,\theta} \right) \\ \\ \sin{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } &= -\frac{\mathrm{i}}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}^2} - \mathrm{e}^{-\mathrm{i}^2} \right) \\ &= -\frac{\mathrm{i}}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{-1} - \mathrm{e}^{1} \right) \\ &= \frac{\mathrm{i}}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{1} - \mathrm{e}^{-1} \right) \\ &= \mathrm{i}\sinh{ \left( 1 \right) } \end{align*}$

Thus:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \cos{ \left( 1 + \mathrm{i} \right) } &= \cos{ \left( 1 \right) } \cos{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } - \sin{ \left( 1 \right) } \sin{ \left( \mathrm{i} \right) } \\ &= \cos{ \left( 1 \right) } \cosh{ \left( 1 \right) } - \sin{ \left( 1 \right) } \left[ \mathrm{i}\sinh{ \left( 1 \right) } \right] \\ &= \cos{ \left( 1 \right) } \cosh{ \left( 1 \right) } - \mathrm{i} \sin{ \left( 1 \right) } \sinh{ \left( 1 \right) } \end{align*}$

i don't understand why it became

$i(e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta})=2\sin\theta$

may be you mean

$\frac{(e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta})}{i}=2\sin\theta$
 
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paulmdrdo said:
how would you express that in rectangular form?
He did. The last line reads as a + i b. (cos(1)cosh(1)) - i (sin(1)sinh(1))

-Dan
 
paulmdrdo said:
i don't understand why it became

$i(e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta})=2\sin\theta$

may be you mean

$\frac{(e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta})}{i}=2\sin\theta$

It didn't.
It became:
$$i(e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta})=-2\sin\theta$$
This is the result of multiplying left and right with $i$.

Btw, note that $\frac 1 i = -i$, so this fits with what you were thinking.
 
paulmdrdo said:
Evaluate the following expressions, expressing answers in rectangular form.

1. $\cos(1+j)$
2.$\sinh(4-j3)$

can you help me on how to solve these problems.

thanks in advance!

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sinh{ \left( 4 - 3\mathrm{i} \right) } &= \frac{1}{2} \left[ \mathrm{e}^{4 - 3\mathrm{i}} - \mathrm{e}^{- \left( 4 - 3\mathrm{i} \right) } \right] \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{4 - 3\mathrm{i}} - \mathrm{e}^{-4 + 3\mathrm{i}} \right) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \left\{ \mathrm{e}^4 \left[ \cos{ \left( -3 \right) } + \mathrm{i}\sin{ \left( - 3 \right) } \right] - \mathrm{e}^{-4} \left[ \cos{ \left( 3 \right) } + \mathrm{i} \sin{ \left( 3 \right) } \right] \right\} \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \left\{ \mathrm{e}^4 \left[ \cos{ (3) } - \mathrm{i}\sin{(3)} \right] - \mathrm{e}^{-4} \left[ \cos{(3)} + \mathrm{i}\sin{(3)} \right] \right\} \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \left[ \mathrm{e}^4\cos{ \left( 3 \right) } - \mathrm{i}\,\mathrm{e}^4 \sin{ (3) } - \mathrm{e}^{-4}\cos{(3)} - \mathrm{i}\,\mathrm{e}^{-4}\sin{(3)} \right] \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \left[ \cos{(3)} \left( \mathrm{e}^4 - \mathrm{e}^{-4} \right) - \mathrm{i} \sin{(3)} \left( \mathrm{e}^4 + \mathrm{e}^{-4} \right) \right] \\ &= \cos{(3)} \left[ \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^{4} - \mathrm{e}^{-4} \right) \right] - \mathrm{i} \sin{(3)} \left[ \frac{1}{2} \left( \mathrm{e}^4 + \mathrm{e}^{-4} \right) \right] \\ &= \cos{(3)} \sinh{(4)} - \mathrm{i}\sin{(3)}\cosh{(4)} \end{align*}$
 

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