Thermodynamics - Adiabiatc Expansion

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The discussion revolves around an ideal gas undergoing adiabatic expansion, with specific parameters provided such as the amount of gas, initial pressure, and work done. Participants are tasked with determining the final volume of the gas based on the given information.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial volume calculation using the ideal gas law and express uncertainty about finding the final temperature and volume. Questions are raised regarding the internal energy of the gas and its relation to work done during the expansion. Some participants question the assumptions made about the gas's heat capacity and whether it is monatomic.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the adequacy of the provided information. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between internal energy and work, but no consensus has been reached on how to proceed with the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem lacks sufficient information, particularly regarding the heat capacity of the gas, which complicates the ability to find a solution. The context of the course being Biophysics is also mentioned, indicating a potential for ambiguity in the questions posed by the professor.

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Homework Statement



2.5 mol of an ideal gas which starts at 2.2 atm and 50 degrees Celsius does 2.4 kJ of work during an adiabatic expansion. What is the final volume of the gas? Express the result in the unit [m3].

Homework Equations



V(initial) x T(initial)^(3/2) = V(final) x T(final)^(3/2)

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the initial volume first using pV=nRT which I got to be 30.15L. But I'm not sure how to get the final temperature, nor the final volume for that matter.
 
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What's the internal energy of the gas? How does a change in that relate to work done?
 
What I've posted is literally all the information I was given when asked to complete the question... my professor is known for his incomprehensible and ambiguous questions.
 
kineticwave said:
What I've posted is literally all the information I was given when asked to complete the question... my professor is known for his incomprehensible and ambiguous questions.
It is not possible to answer this question without knowing the heat capacity of the gas. You appear to be using 1/(γ-1)=3/2 which would make Cv = 3/2 and γ = 5/3

Are you told that this is a monatomic gas?

AM
 
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The question posted is all that I'm given. This professor is known for questions like these. It's a course called Biophysics.
 
kineticwave said:
The question posted is all that I'm given. This professor is known for questions like these. It's a course called Biophysics.
So how do you know that 1/(γ-1) = 3/2? (you have put this in your equation). Only a monatomic gas would have Cv=3R/2; γ=5/3.

AM
 
Just a thought
ΔU=nR∫(T/V)dV
where T can be represent by V
(VixTi)^3/2)=(VxT)^3/2=constant <-- calculate by sub initial conditions.
 
henry407 said:
Just a thought
ΔU=nR∫(T/V)dV
Ok except for a - sign. If Q = 0 then ΔU = -∫PdV
where T can be represent by V
??How do you do that?

AM
 
Re AM:
(VixTi)^3/2=(VxT)^3/2=constant
isn't it, since the whole process is Adiabiatic Expansion, the above equation satisfy in any time during the process.
 
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henry407 said:
Re AM:
(VixTi)^3/2=(VxT)^3/2=constant
isn't it, since the whole process is Adiabiatic Expansion, the above equation satisfy in any time during the process.
Ok. I see what you mean. That will work.

AM
 

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