Thermodynamics, Calculating the required mass flow

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the required mass flow for cooling in a thermodynamics problem, specifically related to cooling towers and air cooling systems. Participants explore the calculations involved, assumptions made, and the realism of the results obtained.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern over an extremely large mass flow result and seeks validation of their calculations.
  • Another participant points out potential issues in the calculations, including unclear notation and questions the mathematical steps leading to the mass flow result.
  • There is a discussion about the assumptions made in the problem, particularly regarding the cooling method and the specific heat capacity of air.
  • Participants acknowledge that the calculated mass flow appears unrealistic and discuss the implications of using air as the sole cooling method for a power plant.
  • One participant admits to a calculation error but still finds the resulting mass flow to be excessively large.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the calculated mass flow is unrealistic, but there is no consensus on the validity of the calculations or the assumptions made in the problem. Multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the problem and the calculations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the clarity of the problem statement and the assumptions made regarding the cooling method. There are unresolved mathematical steps and potential misinterpretations of notation that affect the calculations.

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Homework Statement
1-A power plant generates 150 MW of electrical power. It uses a supply of 1000 MW from a geothermal source and rejects energy to the atmosphere through a cooling tower.
Determine:
a) The rejected power to the atmosphere in MW
b) How much air should be flowed to the cooling tower (kg/s) if its temperature cannot be increased more than 10C.
Relevant Equations
Qin-Qout=W
Q=m*cp*(T2-T1)
I have solved this question and it seemed pretty easy, but I got an extremely large number for the mass flow, I had to post the question here to make sure I did it correctly. Any help will be appreciated.
 

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Two Three Four things.

I see a calculation that is hard to decipher:

The 1 in cp= 1.00##\zeta## looks like a 7.​
Your k and K look exactly the same​
And how can 8.5 105 kJ/s divided by 10 kJ/kg yield 17 106 kg/s ? Did you check your math ?​

The last one is more about the exercise: cooling towers evaporate water, they are not air cooled heat exchangers.

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BvU said:
Two Three Four things.

I see a calculation that is hard to decipher:

The 1 in cp= 1.00##\zeta## looks like a 7.​
Your k and K look exactly the same​
And how can 8.5 105 kJ/s divided by 10 kJ/kg yield 17 106 kg/s ? Did you check your math ?​

The last one is more about the exercise: cooling towers evaporate water, they are not air cooled heat exchangers.

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The question is kind of vague so I had to assume lots of things but it clearly says in question: "how much air has to flow... "and when it says :'its temperature", the question is referring to air's temperature. So I'm pretty sure it's being cooled by air.

The cp (specific heat capacity at constant pressure) of air is 1.005kJ/kg*K
The 850MW is 850*10^3 kW.

I can see I messed up the math. So (850*10^3 [kJ/s])/(1.005[kJ/kg*K]*10[K])=84577kg/s
But the mass flow is still unrealistically large.
 
I agree it's unrealistic, but the math is as it is. Also, your answer suggests an unrealistic precision.

But it is unrealistic to cool a power plant with air only, and that is the responsibility of the problem composer, not yours.

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BvU said:
I agree it's unrealistic, but the math is as it is. Also, your answer suggests an unrealistic precision.

But it is unrealistic to cool a power plant with air only, and that is the responsibility of the problem composer, not yours.

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Ok. Thank you for the help
 
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