Thermodynamics: calculating work question

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a constant pressure process for a system containing methanol (CH3OH). Participants are tasked with calculating the values of heat (q), work (w), change in internal energy (ΔU), and change in enthalpy (ΔH) for the transition from gas to liquid state.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate work but expresses difficulty due to a lack of change in volume information. Some participants suggest using the ideal gas law to determine the original volume of the gas, while others question the validity of neglecting the volume of the condensed liquid.

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Participants have provided calculations for heat and enthalpy and are exploring the calculation of work. There is an ongoing examination of the relationship between pressure, volume, and work, with some guidance offered on using the ideal gas law and conversions to joules. Multiple interpretations of the calculations are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for calculations. The original poster has noted that they have already calculated q and ΔH, but are seeking assistance specifically for work and ΔU.

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1. Homework Statement

What are the values of q, w, ΔU, ΔH for the following constant pressure process for a system containing 0.596 moles of CH3OH ?

CH3OH(g, 123.0 ºC, 1.00 atm) ⟶ CH3OH(l, 30.0 ºC, 1.00 atm)Molar heat capacity for CH3OH(g), Cp,m = 44.1 J K−1 mol−1

Molar heat capacity for CH3OH(l), Cp,m = 81.1 J K−1 mol−1

Enthalpy of vaporization, ΔvapH = 35.2 kJ mol−1 at 64.7 ºC and 1.00 atmCalculate:

q (done)

w (work)

ΔH (done)

ΔU (change in internal energy)

Homework Equations



w = -Pext(ΔV) -- following the convention that a +ve answer for work means a compression

ΔU = q + work

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated q and ΔH to be -24188.775 (they are the same because it's constant pressure).

The problem I'm having is calculating work, because I don't have the change in volume. I think there's some sort of variation of pv = nrt involving the change in moles of gas, but I keep getting it wrong.

Can somebody help me out? Thanks
 
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In determining the change in volume, it is valid to neglect the volume of the condensed liquid compared to the original volume of superheated vapor. Using the ideal gas law, what is the original volume of superheated vapor?
 
Chestermiller said:
In determining the change in volume, it is valid to neglect the volume of the condensed liquid compared to the original volume of superheated vapor. Using the ideal gas law, what is the original volume of superheated vapor?

The original volume of gas is:
v= nrt/p

v = (0.596 mol)*(0.082058 atmL/(k*mol))*(123 + 173 K) all over 1 atm of pressure

v = 19.367 L initially of gas
 
So, what's ##p\Delta V## equal to?
 
Chestermiller said:
So, what's ##p\Delta V## equal to?

It is equal to 1 atm * 19.367 L

So to convert 19.367 atm*L to joules, I will multiply by 101.325 J

so work is equal to +1962.36 J ?

Edit: so to get the change in internal energy I just simply add work to q
 
jybe said:
It is equal to 1 atm * 19.367 L

So to convert 19.367 atm*L to joules, I will multiply by 101.325 J

so work is equal to +1962.36 J ?

Edit: so to get the change in internal energy I just simply add work to q
Yes. I would do it using ##\Delta H=\Delta U+\Delta (PV)## (which gives the same answer).
 
Chestermiller said:
Yes. I would do it using ##\Delta H=\Delta U+\Delta (PV)## (which gives the same answer).
Thank you so much! Not sure why I was even having trouble with this.
 

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