Thermodynamics - Carnot efficiency

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the efficiency of an air conditioner modeled as a Carnot engine. The scenario presents a house being cooled with specific outside and inside temperatures, along with a rate of heat leakage into the house.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of efficiency and mechanical power required for the air conditioner. There are attempts to reconcile differences between calculated values and those provided in a reference. Questions arise regarding the definitions and derivations of the Coefficient of Performance (COP) and its application in this context.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about the equations used and their absence in the textbook. There is a recognition of the relationship between efficiency and COP, and some guidance is provided regarding the application of these concepts in solving the problem. Multiple interpretations of the equations and their derivations are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of finding specific references to certain equations in their textbook, which raises questions about the completeness of their study materials. The discussion also highlights the distinction between efficiency for heat engines and COP for refrigerators and heat pumps.

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Homework Statement


On a hot day a house is kept cool by an air conditioner. The outside temperature is 32°C and the inside temperature is 21°C. Heat leaks into the house at the rate of 9000 kcal/h. If the air conditioner has the efficiency of a Carnot engine, what is the mechanical power that it requires to hold the inside temperature constant?

The Attempt at a Solution



e= 1-294/305 = 0.036066

e=W/QH

Power = 9000 kCal/hour --> 37656000 J/hour --> 10460 J/s

.036066=W/10460 ---> W (really power)=377.426 J/s

This problem seems pretty straightforward...but the back of the book has an answer of 390 W, which is ~13 more J/s than my answer, so I must have made a mistake...yet there are only two equations, and one conversion! Is this a rounding error from the book?
 
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Wellesley said:

Homework Statement


On a hot day a house is kept cool by an air conditioner. The outside temperature is 32°C and the inside temperature is 21°C. Heat leaks into the house at the rate of 9000 kcal/h. If the air conditioner has the efficiency of a Carnot engine, what is the mechanical power that it requires to hold the inside temperature constant?

The Attempt at a Solution



e= 1-294/305 = 0.036066

e=W/QH

Power = 9000 kCal/hour --> 37656000 J/hour --> 10460 J/s

.036066=W/10460 ---> W (really power)=377.426 J/s

This problem seems pretty straightforward...but the back of the book has an answer of 390 W, which is ~13 more J/s than my answer, so I must have made a mistake...yet there are only two equations, and one conversion! Is this a rounding error from the book?
The Coefficient of Performance is defined as:

COP = \frac{Q_c}{W} = \frac{Q_c}{Q_h-Q_c}

which, for a Carnot refrigerator is:

COP = \frac{T_c}{T_h-T_c}

In this case COP = 294/11 = 26.7

Since Qc = 9000 Kcal/hr (ie. heat removed from the cold reservoir) or 37680 kJ/hr or 10470 watts, W = Qc/COP = 10470/26.7 = 392 watts

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
The Coefficient of Performance is defined as:

COP = \frac{Q_c}{W} = \frac{Q_c}{Q_h-Q_c}

which, for a Carnot refrigerator is:

COP = \frac{T_c}{T_h-T_c}

In this case COP = 294/11 = 26.7

Since Qc = 9000 Kcal/hr (ie. heat removed from the cold reservoir) or 37680 kJ/hr or 10470 watts, W = Qc/COP = 10470/26.7 = 392 watts

AM

I looked through the thermodynamics whole chapter, and I couldn't find a single reference to this equation. Is it derived from the Carnot engine efficiency -> e=W/Q? Your solution makes sense, I'm just puzzled why the equation is not even in the book.

Thanks for responding. I'm glad I didn't submit the assignments yet...
 
Wellesley said:
I looked through the thermodynamics whole chapter, and I couldn't find a single reference to this equation. Is it derived from the Carnot engine efficiency -> e=W/Q? Your solution makes sense, I'm just puzzled why the equation is not even in the book.

Thanks for responding. I'm glad I didn't submit the assignments yet...
Performance measurement depends on the function of the device.

Efficiency (output/input or W/Qh) is used for heat engines since it produces work from heat input. For heat pumps, which deliver heat by moving it from colder to warmer reservoirs, a coefficient of performance (COP) is used of Qh/W (output/input being heat output to work input). For a refrigerator, which inputs work to remove heat from a cold reservoir, the performance is measured by Qc/W (output/input or heat removed to work input).

But you don't really need to use COP explicity. In all cases: W = Qh-Qc and for Carnot cycles, \Delta S = Q_c/T_c - Q_h/T_h = 0 so Qc/Qh = Tc/Th. Note W = Qh-Qc = Qc(Qh/Qc - 1) = Qc(Th/Tc-1)

In this case you are given the amount of heat that must be removed from the cold reservoir (Qc). You can just use the above line to find W from Qc.

AM
 

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