Thermodynamics: deriving the quantum volume

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation and interpretation of an equation related to the wavelengths of a vibrating string fixed at both ends, particularly focusing on the expression presented in a thermodynamics textbook. Participants are examining the validity of this expression and its implications for understanding the relationship between wavelength and the length of the string.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the correctness of an equation from their thermodynamics textbook regarding the relationship between wavelengths and the length of a vibrating string, suggesting that the expression does not make sense to them.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the inquiry pertains to the number of wavelengths fitting in the box or the length of the wavelength itself.
  • A participant argues that if one and a half wavelengths fit in the box of length L, then the wavelength should be 2/3 of L, challenging the original equation presented.
  • Another participant references a source that supports the claim that the wavelength is indeed 2/3 of the box length, indicating a potential equivalence in the expressions used.
  • One participant provides a rearrangement of the equation to demonstrate how the expression in question can be derived, suggesting a method to arrive at the equation circled in green.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the equation and its components, particularly the relationship between the wavelength and the length of the string. Multiple competing views remain on the correct formulation and understanding of the equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of terms used in the discussion, particularly the interpretation of wavelength in relation to the length of the string. The discussion also highlights potential confusion over the mathematical representation of the relationships involved.

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so we used an equation in class to basically describe the relationship between some quantities of a vibrating string held fixed at both ends. and i noticed (just now...) that this was.. well.. i don't want to say that it's 'wrong' yet but, the expression does not make sense to me; and just to make sure that i haven't gone dumb or anything i checked online for the expression of the same scenario and they had the same equation that i derived.

here is a picture of the page in my thermo book using the equation (circled in green) that i disagree with.

http://i.imgur.com/gcBrguW.jpg

even at the bottom of the page with the diagram, λ3 is NOT (2/3)L it should be 1.5L or, (3/2)L. basically my question is... why in the world is the 2 and the n inverted??


thanks
 
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Are you asking about how many wavelengths fit in the box, or how long is the wavelength?
 
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either way, the wavelength is in terms of L, so wouldn't the answer to one be the answer to the other? for instance, the very top wave in the diagram in the picture, n=3. there are 1.5L waves in this harmonic, or.. there are 1.5 wavelengths in the length L. (this answers "how many wavelengths fit in the box")

as far as how long the wavelength is.. that can't really be determined numerically if that's what you're asking, since we are leaving the wavelength in terms of L so.. however many wave units in length L IS 'how long the wave is'.

so.. either way, i don't see how the equation circled in green is correct.
 
If one and a half wavelengths fit in a box of length L, then the wavelength is 2/3 the length L of the box.

For λ1, half a wavelength fits in the box, and the wavelength is twice the box length.
 
n lots of [itex]\frac{\lambda}{2}[/itex] fit into length L.
So [itex]\frac{n \lambda}{2} = L[/itex].
Re-arrange this to get the equation you've circled in green.
 

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