Thermodynamics: Efficiency for Stirling engine

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The discussion revolves around determining the efficiency of a Stirling engine that operates with an ideal diatomic gas, focusing on its thermodynamic processes and the implications of the compression ratio on efficiency calculations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between work done during different processes of the Stirling cycle and how it affects the overall efficiency. There are questions regarding the assumptions made about heat flow during the processes, particularly in relation to the first law of thermodynamics.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions made about heat input and the calculations of work done in the engine's cycles. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of the first law of thermodynamics, but multiple interpretations of the heat flow and efficiency calculations are being explored.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the efficiency calculation, particularly in relation to the Carnot efficiency and the implications of the compression ratio. Participants are also addressing the specific roles of different thermodynamic processes in the Stirling engine cycle.

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Homework Statement



I'm trying to find an expression for the efficiency of a stirling engine operating with an ideal diatomic gas, and cycling through a volume V and a multiple of its compression ratio, r, Vr.

Homework Equations



processes:

1-2 isothermal expansion
2-3 isochoric cooling
3-4 isothermal compression
4-1 isochoric heating

r=compression ratio
Th=high temperature
Tl=low temperature

Work=W1 proc. 1-2 (nRTh)ln(r)
Work=W2 proc. 3-4 (nRTl)ln(1/r)
Work Net= W1-W2= nRln(r)(Th-Tl) since ln=-ln(1/r)

Heat Input=Qh=nCv(Th-Tl)=(5/2)R(Th-Tl)

Efficiency=e=W Net/Heat Input=[nRln(r)(Th-Tl)]/[(5/2)nR(Th-Tl)

Canceling:e=(5/2)ln(r)

This does not Make sense since efficiency for an engine with an equal compression ration of say r=10 operating at a Temp high of 300k and low of 200k would have a carnot efficiency of (1/3) while with the above equation e=.92 which is impossible.
 
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armolinasf said:
Heat Input=Qh=nCv(Th-Tl)=(5/2)R(Th-Tl)
You are assuming that heat flow into the gas occurs only in the 4-1 constant volume part. Apply the first law to the isothermal expansion (1-2): ΔQ = ΔU + W;

AM
 
Yes, but the heat flow occurring in 2-3 is an out flow so it wouldn't be included in the efficiency calculation which is based on only on the heat input, right?
 
I believe Qh=5/2*R*n*(Th-Tl)+R*n*Th*ln(r) in the denominator
 
why is that? isn't nRThln(r) the work done from 1-2?
 
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armolinasf said:
why is that? isn't nRThln(r) the work done from 1-2?
Exactly. Since it is isothermal, ΔU = 0. So, by the first law, ΔQ1-2 = W1-2 (where W = the work done BY the gas). You can see from the first law that heat flow into the gas occurs from 4-1 AND from 1-2.

AM
 
armolinasf said:
Yes, but the heat flow occurring in 2-3 is an out flow so it wouldn't be included in the efficiency calculation which is based on only on the heat input, right?
I did not say 2-3. I said 1-2. Apply the first law. You will see that there is positive heat flow into the gas from 1-2.

AM
 

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