Thermodynamics: Final temp of Ice + steam?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves thermodynamics, specifically the heat exchange between steam and ice in an insulated container. The original poster presents a scenario where 0.50 kg of steam at 140°C is mixed with 2.0 kg of ice at -20°C, seeking to determine the final temperature of the system while ignoring heat exchanges with the container.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the final temperature by considering the heat exchanges involved in the phase changes of steam and ice. They express uncertainty about how to determine the mass of ice and steam that will convert to water and question the implications of their calculations leading to an unrealistic temperature.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on ensuring the heat exchanges are balanced due to the thermal isolation of the container. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's approach to assume all substances turn to water, but questions remain about the specifics of mass melting and the correct application of heat equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the units of latent heat (Lf and Lv) and the implications of the calculations leading to a negative final temperature, indicating that not all ice may melt. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


In an insulated container, .50kg of steam at 140C is mixed with 2.0kg of ice, at -20C. What is the final temp inside the container if heat exchanges with the container are ignored?

This is a multiple choice question and the answer is 60C.

Homework Equations



mC(Tf-Ti)
Lf
Lv

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm stuck on how to figure out what mass of the ice and steam will turn into water, do I assume that all turns to water? I'm also confused on where to go after that.

Qsteam = .5(2010)(100-140) + m(22.6 x 10^5) + m(4186)(Tf-100)
Qice = 2(2090)(0-(-20)) + m(33.5 x 10^4) + m(4186)(Tf-0)

As for the weird Lf and Lv values, their in J/Kg and I'm just using the numbers given to me from my teachers formula chart.

EDIT: Ok, so I assumed that all turns to water and got an answer of Tf = -163, which I remember my teacher saying that this means not all of the ice melts. Is this correct?

Any help is appreciated.
 
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Okay, good job on factoring in the changes of state. You seem to be having trouble with the units of Lf and Lv? Anyway, if you do have those correct, you are basically there. You just have to realize that the two heats must be equal because the container is thermally isolated, the heat can only exchange within the system.
 
The Lf and Lv values I obtained of my formula chart.

I'm still confused though, how do I solve for how much mass of ice will melt?
 
Since you've already assumed that the two states are going to both turn into water, which is smart of course, then just use the respective masses and assume they all turn to water (that no mass went into energy).
 

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