Thermodynamics - ideal gas properties

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This discussion focuses on calculating thermodynamic properties such as enthalpy, entropy, and internal energy for ideal gases. The key equations discussed include the enthalpy change formula, ΔH = ΔQ = ∫CpdT, and the relationship between internal energy and enthalpy, expressed as U and PV state functions. The participants clarify that the pressure integral in the enthalpy equation becomes zero under constant pressure conditions, and they emphasize the importance of understanding the path independence of state functions in thermodynamics.

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Hey guys,

I'm working on calculating the enthalpy, entropy and internal energy of substances. treating them as an ideal gas. I wonder if I could be pointed in the right direction with some calculations.

Enthalpy change:
h2-h1=∫cp dT+ ∫[v-T(∂v/∂T)P]dP

At ideal gas the pressure integral goes to zero.
So we have just the integral of Cp with respect to T.

All correct so far?

Its with the entropy and internal energy where I get confused.

ds = (Cp)dT - (∂v/∂T)P dP

is there a way to simplify this further at ideal gas to make it easily calculated ?

I guess internal energy can be calculated from h using h = u + Pv.

Thanks very much

Look forward to any replies.
 
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johnsmith456 said:
Enthalpy change:
h2-h1=∫cp dT+ ∫[v-T(∂v/∂T)P]dP

At ideal gas the pressure integral goes to zero.
I am not sure how you get this. If H = U + PV, then dH = dU + PdV + VdP and ΔH = ΔU + ∫PdV + ∫VdP = ΔQ + ∫VdP

So, if pressure is constant, ∫VdP = 0, so ΔH = ΔQ = ∫CpdT

So we have just the integral of Cp with respect to T.

All correct so far?
Not in general. This is true only if P is constant.
Its with the entropy and internal energy where I get confused.

ds = (Cp)dT - (∂v/∂T)P dP
Since U and PV are state functions, ΔU and Δ(PV) are independent of the path between two states so they are the same whether the path is reversible or irreversible. For a reversible path, ΔH = ΔQ + ∫VdP = ∫TdS + ∫VdP. Consequently, this must be true for all paths.

So you can use: dH = TdS + VdP

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