Thermodynamics-T& P & v relationship

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between temperature, pressure, and specific volume in a thermodynamic context, specifically focusing on saturated water at a pressure of 300 kPa. Participants are exploring the implications of specific volume values and the corresponding temperatures in different states of water.

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  • Participants question the significance of the specific volume in relation to the temperature and pressure conditions stated. There is a discussion about whether the system represents a mixture of liquid and vapor and how this affects the temperature and specific volume relationship.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing hints and prompting further thought regarding the relationship between the specific volume and the saturation temperature. Some participants are exploring the idea of equilibrium between liquid and vapor states, while others are seeking clarification on the assumptions made about the system.

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There is a noted discrepancy between the specific volume given in the question and the values from the saturated water pressure table, leading to questions about the validity of assumptions regarding the states of the water. The discussion also touches on the implications of temperature changes during phase transitions.

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Why is the temperature of the first state is 133.52oC?

If at 300kPa & 133.52oC, from the ‘Saturated water—Pressure table’, it would give vf=0.001073m3/kg, far different from the specific volume as stated in the question which is 0.5m3/kg. Why don’t we need to consider the specific volume v1 in this question?

If mass, temperature and pressure are all stated the same, is it reasonable that the specific volume is much larger than the theoretical one?

Thank you very much!
 
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What is the specific volume of saturated water vapor at 300 kPa?
 
vf:0.001073 vg:0.60582
do you mean it is a mixture of liquid and vapor?
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
 
yecko said:
vf:0.001073 vg:0.60582
I asked the question to provide a hint for solving your problem. Apparently, you didn't get the hint. Think about it.
 
do you mean it is a mixture of liquid and vapor?
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
 
yecko said:
do you mean it is a mixture of liquid and vapor?
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
Yes. That's what I mean. The 0.5 is the weighted average of the vapor and liquid specific volumes.
 
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
as for v=0.5, isn't that should increase the temperature first before all molecules achieving sat. temp., then have latent heat change in state 2 for the liquid part change to gas state?
what i mean is that isn't the state 1 temp should be lower than 133.5oC, then it achieve 133.5oC only in state 2?
thanks
 
yecko said:
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
as for v=0.5, isn't that should increase the temperature first before all molecules achieving sat. temp., then have latent heat change in state 2 for the liquid part change to gas state?
what i mean is that isn't the state 1 temp should be lower than 133.5oC, then it achieve 133.5oC only in state 2?
thanks
If the liquid is saturated, at equilibrium, the vapor must be saturated too. In this system, the average specific volume of the mixture of liquid and vapor is somewhere between that of saturated liquid and saturated vapor. This means that part of the water is saturated liquid and part of the water is saturated vapor.

In going from state 1 to state 2, all the remaining liquid evaporates, and the temperature and pressure remain constant.
 

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