Thermodynamics - Temperature change of Argon

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the temperature change of 19 moles of argon gas when heat is added at constant pressure. Participants explore the relationship between heat transfer, temperature change, and the specific heat capacities of argon.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the heat transfer equation Q = Cp * ΔT and question the correctness of the initial attempts at calculating the final temperature. There are inquiries about the dimensions of the quantities involved and the definitions of specific heat capacities for argon.

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The discussion is active with multiple interpretations being explored. Some participants provide guidance on checking units and dimensions, while others clarify the relationships between the specific heat capacities and the universal gas constant. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the number of moles and the implications of using the correct specific heat capacities for a monoatomic gas. There is also mention of the potential confusion regarding the use of molar mass in the calculations.

Seven of Nine

Homework Statement


The temperature of n = 19 mol of argon gas is increased from T1 = 21 oC by Q = 4.4 kJ heat transfer, while the gas pressure is kept constant. What is the new gas temperature in Celsius degrees?

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and as its a monoatomic gas I think this means that the equation is just Q=Cp*change in temp. But I'm not really sure. The Cv of Argon is 0.3122, with R being 0.2081 and Cp being 0.5203.

The Attempt at a Solution


My last attempts have come up with the final temp as 44.9 - where I had used the mass of the object as 749. I also have got 30.88 by subbing the values into the unknown. I keep getting the answer marked as wrong and I'm not sure where I'm going wrong
 

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HI,

Perhaps you should add dimensions to your quantities and check that the answer has the dimension you want
 
Do you mean - Cp-0.5203[kJ/kg.K] Cv-0.3122Cp[kJ/kg.K] and then R=0.2081Cp[kJ/kg.K]?
 
Seven of Nine said:
Do you mean - Cp-0.5203[kJ/kg.K] Cv-0.3122Cp[kJ/kg.K] and then R=0.2081Cp[kJ/kg.K]?
What is ##\Delta T##?
 
That's what I want in celsius
 
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Seven of Nine said:
That's what I want in celsius
Yep. Me too.

But what is it?

Can you elaborate it?
 
It's the temperature change in celsius.
 
Seven of Nine said:
It's the temperature change in celsius.
cool.

Write that in symbols.
 
What is the value of the molar heat capacity at constant volume of a mono atomic gas (in terms of R)? What is the molar heat capacity at constant pressure?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What is the molar heat capacity at constant pressure?
CV = (3/2)R and CP = (5/2)R

Or Q = (3/2)nRΔT + nRΔT = (5/2)nRΔT for Cp

and Q = (3/2)nRΔT for Cv

Is that right?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What is the value of the molar heat capacity at constant volume of a monoatomic gas (in terms of R)? What is the molar heat capacity at constant pressure?
I have 32.14 when I do - (4400/((5/2)*(759)*0.2081))+21 that's when everything is in grams? Is that correct
 
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So, ##\Delta T## is change in temperature, right?

Now, say, initially the temperature is ##T_i## and finally ##T_f##.
What is the change in temperature?
 
  • #13
VSayantan said:
So, ##\Delta T## is change in temperature, right?

Now, say, initially the temperature is ##T_i## and finally ##T_f##.
What is the change in temperature?
Yes so the final Temperature was 32.14 - I submitted it and it was correct - with the change in temp being 11.14. This was found but using the molar mass - The molar mass of Argon is 39.95 which is multiplied by the 19mol so 759.05. Then sub into the equation above and then add the initial value to get 32.14
 
  • #14
Seven of Nine said:
Then sub into the equation above and then add the initial value to get 32.14

How did you obtain the value ##32.14##?

So your initial equation was wrong!

It should be $$Q=m\cdot {C_p} \cdot {(T_f \sim T_i)}$$
 
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The initial equation is correct I have just subbed in the equation for Cv and the value for n in the initial equation is 1 or excluded as Argon is monoatomic and I got 32.14 by adding the initial value of 21 to the change in Temp which was found using the equation. To give the final Temperature
 
  • #16
Seven of Nine said:
the value for n in the initial equation is 1

The question clearly says "the temperature of ##n=19~\rm {mol}## of argon gas ..." why did you use ##n=1##?

Seven of Nine said:
I got 32.14 by adding the initial value of 21 to the change in Temp which was found using the equation. To give the final Temperature

How did you find the change in temperature to add with?
 
  • #17
Seven of Nine said:
Yes so the final Temperature was 32.14 - I submitted it and it was correct - with the change in temp being 11.14. This was found but using the molar mass - The molar mass of Argon is 39.95 which is multiplied by the 19mol so 759.05. Then sub into the equation above and then add the initial value to get 32.14
You didn't even need to know the molar mass of argon if you just used the universal gas constant R = 8.314 J/mole.K:
$$(19)(2.5)(8.314)\Delta T = 4400$$
So, $$\Delta T=11.14\ C$$
 
  • #18
Chestermiller said:
You didn't even need to know the molar mass of argon if you just used the universal gas constant R = 8.314 J/mole.K:
$$(19)(2.5)(8.314)\Delta T = 4400$$
So, $$\Delta T=11.14\ C$$

Isn't your unit for ##T## - ##K##?
 
  • #19
VSayantan said:
Isn't your unit for ##T## - ##K##?
For a temperature change, K and C give the same number.
 
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