Thermodynamics - Temperature change of Argon

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The discussion revolves around calculating the final temperature of 19 moles of argon gas after a heat transfer of 4.4 kJ at constant pressure. The correct approach involves using the equation Q = nCpΔT, where Cp for argon is 0.5203 kJ/kg.K. The final temperature was determined to be 32.14°C, with a temperature change (ΔT) of 11.14°C calculated from the heat transfer. Participants emphasized the importance of using the correct number of moles and the appropriate values for heat capacity. The discussion concluded with clarification that for temperature changes, Celsius and Kelvin scales yield the same numerical change.
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Homework Statement


The temperature of n = 19 mol of argon gas is increased from T1 = 21 oC by Q = 4.4 kJ heat transfer, while the gas pressure is kept constant. What is the new gas temperature in Celsius degrees?

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and as its a monoatomic gas I think this means that the equation is just Q=Cp*change in temp. But I'm not really sure. The Cv of Argon is 0.3122, with R being 0.2081 and Cp being 0.5203.

The Attempt at a Solution


My last attempts have come up with the final temp as 44.9 - where I had used the mass of the object as 749. I also have got 30.88 by subbing the values into the unknown. I keep getting the answer marked as wrong and I'm not sure where I'm going wrong
 

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HI,

Perhaps you should add dimensions to your quantities and check that the answer has the dimension you want
 
Do you mean - Cp-0.5203[kJ/kg.K] Cv-0.3122Cp[kJ/kg.K] and then R=0.2081Cp[kJ/kg.K]?
 
Seven of Nine said:
Do you mean - Cp-0.5203[kJ/kg.K] Cv-0.3122Cp[kJ/kg.K] and then R=0.2081Cp[kJ/kg.K]?
What is ##\Delta T##?
 
That's what I want in celcius
 
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Seven of Nine said:
That's what I want in celcius
Yep. Me too.

But what is it?

Can you elaborate it?
 
It's the temperature change in celsius.
 
Seven of Nine said:
It's the temperature change in celsius.
cool.

Write that in symbols.
 
What is the value of the molar heat capacity at constant volume of a mono atomic gas (in terms of R)? What is the molar heat capacity at constant pressure?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What is the molar heat capacity at constant pressure?
CV = (3/2)R and CP = (5/2)R

Or Q = (3/2)nRΔT + nRΔT = (5/2)nRΔT for Cp

and Q = (3/2)nRΔT for Cv

Is that right?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What is the value of the molar heat capacity at constant volume of a monoatomic gas (in terms of R)? What is the molar heat capacity at constant pressure?
I have 32.14 when I do - (4400/((5/2)*(759)*0.2081))+21 that's when everything is in grams? Is that correct
 
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So, ##\Delta T## is change in temperature, right?

Now, say, initially the temperature is ##T_i## and finally ##T_f##.
What is the change in temperature?
 
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VSayantan said:
So, ##\Delta T## is change in temperature, right?

Now, say, initially the temperature is ##T_i## and finally ##T_f##.
What is the change in temperature?
Yes so the final Temperature was 32.14 - I submitted it and it was correct - with the change in temp being 11.14. This was found but using the molar mass - The molar mass of Argon is 39.95 which is multiplied by the 19mol so 759.05. Then sub into the equation above and then add the initial value to get 32.14
 
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Seven of Nine said:
Then sub into the equation above and then add the initial value to get 32.14

How did you obtain the value ##32.14##?

So your initial equation was wrong!

It should be $$Q=m\cdot {C_p} \cdot {(T_f \sim T_i)}$$
 
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The initial equation is correct I have just subbed in the equation for Cv and the value for n in the initial equation is 1 or excluded as Argon is monoatomic and I got 32.14 by adding the initial value of 21 to the change in Temp which was found using the equation. To give the final Temperature
 
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Seven of Nine said:
the value for n in the initial equation is 1

The question clearly says "the temperature of ##n=19~\rm {mol}## of argon gas ..." why did you use ##n=1##?

Seven of Nine said:
I got 32.14 by adding the initial value of 21 to the change in Temp which was found using the equation. To give the final Temperature

How did you find the change in temperature to add with?
 
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Seven of Nine said:
Yes so the final Temperature was 32.14 - I submitted it and it was correct - with the change in temp being 11.14. This was found but using the molar mass - The molar mass of Argon is 39.95 which is multiplied by the 19mol so 759.05. Then sub into the equation above and then add the initial value to get 32.14
You didn't even need to know the molar mass of argon if you just used the universal gas constant R = 8.314 J/mole.K:
$$(19)(2.5)(8.314)\Delta T = 4400$$
So, $$\Delta T=11.14\ C$$
 
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Chestermiller said:
You didn't even need to know the molar mass of argon if you just used the universal gas constant R = 8.314 J/mole.K:
$$(19)(2.5)(8.314)\Delta T = 4400$$
So, $$\Delta T=11.14\ C$$

Isn't your unit for ##T## - ##K##?
 
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VSayantan said:
Isn't your unit for ##T## - ##K##?
For a temperature change, K and C give the same number.
 
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