Thevenin Equivalent: HW Problem Solution Check

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to finding the Thevenin equivalent circuit. Participants are reviewing an attempted solution and providing feedback on the methodology and calculations involved in determining the Thevenin voltage and resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help in verifying their attempted solution to a homework problem involving Thevenin equivalents.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of identifying the two points A and B for which the Thevenin equivalent is defined, suggesting they may be across the 10k resistor.
  • Concerns are raised about the removal of the 10k resistor in the analysis, questioning whether the load resistor should be placed between the defined points.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the relationship between V_{AB} and V_{Th}, with one participant asserting that V_{Th} should be calculated as V_{AB} - V_A.
  • Some participants agree that nodal analysis appears to be executed correctly, but there is uncertainty about the necessity of converting units in the calculations.
  • A later reply suggests that even if the load resistor is not removed, the same equations would apply due to the absence of current through the 10k resistor.
  • Another participant reiterates that V_{Th} should be defined as previously stated, indicating a divergence in understanding of the problem setup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the 10k resistor and the correct formulation of V_{Th}. There is no consensus on whether the removal of the resistor is appropriate or on the correct definition of the Thevenin voltage.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about circuit configurations and the roles of components are not fully explored, leading to potential ambiguities in the analysis. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the problem setup.

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i have an attempted solution to a HW problem, and I want to know if it is right or wrong. Could you guys please help me out. I have attached the image as a pdf
 

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Before you can actually start solving the problem, you will need to identify firstly the two points A and B for which the Thevenin equivalent circuit is defined. So where are these points upon which you want to find the Thevenin equivalent circuit? Across the 10k resistor?
 
doodle said:
Before you can actually start solving the problem, you will need to identify firstly the two points A and B for which the Thevenin equivalent circuit is defined. So where are these points upon which you want to find the Thevenin equivalent circuit? Across the 10k resistor?
if you look at the second circuit i have labeled the two nodes V_A and V_AB, those are the two nodes in which i am going to do nodal analysis in.
 
I didn't calculate the Vth, but your work nodal analysis looks correct to me. On a side note, you didn't really need to convert the mA to A or the kohms to ohms. The prefixes will cancel giving you V during the calculations. Now find Rth to complete the problem.
 
teknodude said:
I didn't calculate the Vth, but your work nodal analysis looks correct to me. On a side note, you didn't really need to convert the mA to A or the kohms to ohms. The prefixes will cancel giving you V during the calculations. Now find Rth to complete the problem.
GREAT! thanks teknodude!
 
mugzieee said:
if you look at the second circuit i have labeled the two nodes V_A and V_AB, those are the two nodes in which i am going to do nodal analysis in.

I have a few concerns.

1. Why remove the 10k resistor? Shouldn't the load resistor (if there should be one) be lying between the two points where the Thevenin equivalent circuit is defined?

2. I don't think V_{AB} = V_{Th} as you have written in the solution. If the Thevenin equivalent circuit is to be determined across nodes AB and A, then V_{Th} = V_{AB} - V_A.
 
doodle said:
I have a few concerns.

1. Why remove the 10k resistor? Shouldn't the load resistor (if there should be one) be lying between the two points where the Thevenin equivalent circuit is defined?

2. I don't think V_{AB} = V_{Th} as you have written in the solution. If the Thevenin equivalent circuit is to be determined across nodes AB and A, then V_{Th} = V_{AB} - V_A.

you may be right about the load resistor lying between the two points. But even if i don't remove the load resistor, and use the same technique to find V_AB, then id still have the same equations because there would still be no current through the 10k resistor.
 
That's true. But you should let the 10k resistor be and V_{Th} should be as I stated above.
 

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