Things Which Can Go Wrong with Complex Numbers - Comments

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The discussion revolves around the complexities and potential pitfalls associated with complex numbers, particularly focusing on the definitions and implications of multi-valued functions such as logarithms and square roots. It includes theoretical considerations and personal reflections on learning complex analysis.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Log(z) is defined to return the principal value within the range ##(-\pi,\pi]##, while log(z) represents the set of values satisfying ##z=e^w##, suggesting a distinction between the two notations.
  • There is a mention of the lack of a shorthand for the set of solutions to the square root operation, contrasting it with the logarithm.
  • A proposal is made to develop generic rules for multi-valued functions, indicating that if a function f() distributes across multiplication, it could be represented in a specific notation.
  • Another participant shares a link to a blog post discussing the implications of the multi-valued negative logarithm and its relation to the x^x spindle.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the insights shared, reflecting on their own learning experience with complex numbers and the challenges of understanding the principal branch definitions.
  • There is a recognition of the non-standard use of Log versus log, with some uncertainty about how different authors define the principal branch of logarithms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and appreciation for the definitions and implications of complex numbers, but there is no consensus on the best practices or notations to use. Multiple viewpoints on the definitions and their applications remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity in defining the principal branch of logarithms and the potential for confusion in notation, indicating that definitions may vary among authors.

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Things Which Can Go Wrong with Complex Numbers

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I thought Log(z) was defined to return the principal value, i.e. In the range ##(-\pi,\pi]##, while log(z) is left as shorthand for the set of values which satisfy ##z=e^w##. Thus ##log(z)=Log(z)+2\pi n i##.

Likewise, ##\sqrt .## is defined to return a complex number with argument in the range ##(-\pi,\pi]##. A difficulty here is that there is no corresponding shorthand (is there?) for the set of solutions to the square root operation.

It might be interesting to develop some generic rules for multivalued functions. E.g. If f() is such an operation, we might write {f(x)} for the set of values and F(x) for the principal value. If f distributes across multiplication (e.g. raising to a power, ##(ab)^c=a^cb^c##) then we could write ##F(ab)\in \{f(ab)\}\subseteq f(a)f(b)##.
 
I really like this insight. I wish I had seen a writeup like this 25 years ago while first learning about complex numbers; it wasn't until taking an elective in complex analysis my senior year of college that I finally started to get a handle on this. A link to this insight should become the standard reply to these kinds of questions that show up in the forums.

The use of Log versus log may be a little non-standard. I must admit that when I first skimmed the article I assumed the capital version was the principal branch, but I can never remember how people define the principle branch anyway (##-\pi \leq \theta < \pi##; ##-\pi < \theta \leq \pi##; ##0 \leq \theta < 2 \pi##, etc) so I always have to check how any given author defines it. When I fully read the insight the notation is clearly defined so I have no problem with it at all.

Great work!
 

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