This axiomatic system seems contradictory. Any thoughts?

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The discussion revolves around an axiomatic system in geometry, specifically addressing a perceived contradiction involving points and lines defined by certain axioms. The original poster describes a scenario with a line containing six points and additional points, leading to a conflict with the axioms regarding parallel lines.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the implications of the axioms, questioning the relationships between the points and lines. There is a focus on the interpretation of parallel lines and the conditions set by the axioms, with some participants suggesting that the lines may not be parallel as initially claimed.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the assumptions made by the original poster. Some guidance is offered regarding the interpretation of intersections and the requirements of the axiomatic system, but no consensus has been reached.

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There are constraints related to the axiomatic definitions and the requirement that each line must be incident with a specific number of points. The participants are navigating these constraints while attempting to clarify the implications of the axioms.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Ok. So I began with the line l_1 with exactly 6 points on it, A, B, C, D, E, F. (Axiom 2). Now, by axiom 1, there must exist 2 additional points not on this line. So I formed those, G and H.

No by Axiom 3, there exists a line between each of the points on L_1 and G and H, as well as a line between G and H. I drew those. Notice, however, that the line HF is parallel to GA, GB, GC, GD, and GE.

This contradicts axiom 4 which states that through G, only 1 line is parallel to HF!

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Geeze, this forum doesn't seem to like geometry very much.
 
jdinatale said:

Homework Statement


axiomatic.jpg


edit: WHOOPS. Almost forgot to


The Attempt at a Solution



Ok. So I began with the line l_1 with exactly 6 points on it, A, B, C, D, E, F. (Axiom 2). Now, by axiom 1, there must exist 2 additional points not on this line. So I formed those, G and H.

No by Axiom 3, there exists a line between each of the points on L_1 and G and H, as well as a line between G and H. I drew those. Notice, however, that the line HF is parallel to GA, GB, GC, GD, and GE.

This contradicts axiom 4 which states that through G, only 1 line is parallel to HF!

axiomsystem.jpg

Only three of your lines show 6 points. Those are l1, p and, u. So, those lines you claim are parallel to line q (also known as HF) might actually intersect line q.
 
SammyS said:
Only three of your lines show 6 points. Those are l1, p and, u. So, those lines you claim are parallel to line q (also known as HF) might actually intersect line q.

Just because two lines "intersect" in the diagram, doesn't mean that they actually intersect within the axiom system. This model wouldn't work if that was the case because there would exist 7 points on AH (counting all of the intersections).

I have to PROVE that each line is incident with 6 points.
 

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