Three big questions about Gravity, Cold and Magnets

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The discussion revolves around three questions posed by a high school student regarding the nature of gravity, cold, and magnets. The scope includes conceptual inquiries about energy, thermodynamics, and magnetism, as well as their potential applications and implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravity can be thought of in terms of energy, particularly in the context of hydroelectric power generation, while others clarify that gravity is a force, not energy itself.
  • There is a discussion about whether cold is simply the absence of energy, with some suggesting that it is a relative state that allows certain processes, like crystallization, to occur.
  • Participants question the idea of magnets as sources of infinite energy, with one noting that while magnets exert forces, they do not generate energy without some form of movement or work being done.
  • One participant emphasizes that cold does not actively move things, but rather represents a lower energy state that can influence other processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravity and cold, with some asserting that gravity and magnetism are forces rather than energy, while others explore the implications of these forces in energy generation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the characterization of cold and its role in energy processes.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of energy and force, as well as the assumptions about the relationship between cold and energy. The nuances of thermodynamic processes and the conditions under which they occur are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and individuals curious about fundamental physics concepts, particularly those related to energy, thermodynamics, and magnetism.

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Hey, So I am a sophomore in high school and have never taken a physics class before (it hasn't been offered) but I look forward too taking one.

I got really thoughtful today and came up with three questions.

1. Gravity... is it energy? And is it infinite? I mean we harness gravities energy in things like water turbines. Gravity makes the water move and turbines turn it into electricity. What does this mean?

2. Is cold really the absence of energy? Can it be harnessed? The reason I ask is their is some sort of theory I heard and i might be terribly simplifying but basically "everything moves to a state of chaos without the input of energy". Now I know cold means particles are not moving as much but could that only be a lack in kinetic energy? For example cold moves water which is in a turbulent state into a more organized crystalline structure. Now I know hydrogen bonds cause the crystal structure but it that all the energy that goes into making that happen?

3. Are magnets infinite energy. I mean they seem pretty long lasting to me and push away other things in a kinetic form... What is this? If we somehow managed to get two massive focused magnets and force them into each other to the point where they were touching... could we harness energy from that? Specifically the magnetic resistance?

Thanks so much for reading! Pardon my stupidity and lack of lingo/vocab on these things.
 
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#1 and #3 are the same. Magnetism and gravity are forces (or fields of forces). Force isn't energy. A book sitting on a table has forces applied to it by gravity and by the table, but it doesn't get hot because there is no energy expenditure. You can generate energy by moving (force and distance) through one of those fields. A hydroelectric turbine works when water falls -- but then something has to move the water back up to the top of the dam or it will stop. Think about what might do that.

For #2, yes, "cold" is a relative absence of thermal energy. All thermodynamic processes use a "hot" reservoir and a "cold" reservoir, and harness the heat energy flowing between them (not unlike the hydroelectric dam does for gravitational potential energy).
 
cubby208 said:
For example cold moves water which is in a turbulent state into a more organized crystalline structure. Now I know hydrogen bonds cause the crystal structure but it that all the energy that goes into making that happe

Cold does not move anything. Coldness is a state of relative lower energy as indicated by temperature. This reduced energy condition may allow other process to occur. since excess energy may produce forces that interfere with those processes. For example as you noted the crystallization of water cannot fundamentally occur above some critical temperature and pressure because the crystallization process is being dismantled so to speak by stronger external forces. imagine trying to assemble something while your hands are shaking.
 

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