Three protons and two positrons....

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The problem involves a system of three protons and two positrons arranged at the corners of a square, with the protons positioned at the ends of one diagonal and the positrons at the ends of the other diagonal. The scenario describes the release of this system from rest and seeks to determine the kinetic energy of the protons after a significant time has passed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial potential energy of the system and question the assumptions regarding the motion of the protons and positrons after release. There is a focus on the forces acting on the particles and the implications of their mass differences on their motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided insights into the forces and accelerations involved, while others are questioning the validity of the assumptions made in the original post regarding the behavior of the protons and positrons.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the mass differences between protons and positrons, which may influence the dynamics of the system. The original poster's calculations and the provided solution are under scrutiny, particularly regarding the final states of the protons and positrons.

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Homework Statement


There protons are and two positrons are held such that two protons are on the ends of a diagonal of a square and the two positrons are on the ends of the second diagonal. The third proton is situated at the centre of the square. The system is released from rest. Find the kinetic energy of the three protons after a long. (Side of square is ##a##)

Homework Equations


$$F=\frac{ke^2}{a^2}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving the problem by assuming that final potential energy is ##0## since all particles except the proton at the centre of square will move to infinity due to rulsions and initial potential energy is $$\frac{4ke^2}{a}+\frac{2ke^2}{a\sqrt{2}}+\frac{4ke^2}{\frac{a}{\sqrt{2}}}$$

But in solution given, they have state that only the positrons will fly away and the protons will remain. How is this possible?
 
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Does the solution actually say that none of the protons gain any KE, even after a long time?
 
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No. Here is the picture:

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OK. Compare the mass of a proton to the mass of a positron.
 
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The mass of the positron will not affect the force with which it will repel the proton.
 
Why not?
 
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Because F=kq/r^2.
 
Titan97 said:
Because F=kq/r^2.
OK.

At the instant of release, how does the magnitude of the net force on a positron compare to the magnitude of the net force on a proton?

At the instant of release, how does the magnitude of the acceleration of a positron compare to the magnitude of the acceleration of a proton?
 
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I get it now. Acceleration of positron is far greater than that of the proton.
 
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Yes. To a good approximation, you can neglect the motion of the corner protons during the time that the positrons move far enough away to have little influence on the protons.
 
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