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- Homework Statement
- See attached images.
- Relevant Equations
- ##\Delta p \Delta x \geq \frac{h}{4\pi}##
The discussion centers on quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the time-energy uncertainty relation and its implications. Participants debate the correctness of the inequality ΔpΔx≥h4π and the derivation of the equation mvΔv=Δ(mv²). Key points include the interpretation of Δt in the context of uncertainty and the application of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) to classical uncertainties in position and momentum. The conversation highlights the need for clarity in understanding these concepts and their mathematical representations.
PREREQUISITESStudents of quantum mechanics, physics educators, and anyone interested in the mathematical foundations of uncertainty principles in physics.
schniefen said:Homework Statement: See attached images.
Homework Equations: ΔpΔx≥h4πΔpΔx≥h4π
View attachment 252715 Is the last inequality correct? Should it not be |A|2⋅2(1+cos(ka))|A|2⋅2(1+cos(ka))?View attachment 252716 How is the time calculated here? Given Δv>10−34Δv>10−34...View attachment 252717 How come mvΔv=Δ(mv22)mvΔv=Δ(mv22)? Where does the (1/2)(1/2) come from?
If you extend that notion of a differential to a derivative, with respect to time, then all should be clear.schniefen said:Regarding 3, ##mv \Delta v=\Delta (mv^2)##, but where does the last equality follow from?
The logic is that the uncertainty in ##x## has an associated minimum uncertainty in momentum, hence energy; and you apply the energy-time uncertainty relation.schniefen said:Why would ##\Delta t > \frac{4\pi(\Delta x)^2}{h}## give the time it takes for ##\Delta x## to double? Where is the factor ##2\Delta x##?
The logic is this. You start with an uncertainty in ##x## in the classical sense. You apply the HUP to get an uncertainty in ##v##. You interpret this as a classical uncertainty. You multiply the uncertainty in ##v## by ##\Delta t## to get a further, classical, uncertainty in ##x##.schniefen said:Why would ##\Delta t > \frac{4\pi(\Delta x)^2}{h}## give the time it takes for ##\Delta x## to double? Where is the factor ##2\Delta x##?