Three quantum mechanics questions (about Uncertainty p. and comp. conjugate)

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the time-energy uncertainty relation and its implications. Participants debate the correctness of the inequality ΔpΔx≥h4π and the derivation of the equation mvΔv=Δ(mv²). Key points include the interpretation of Δt in the context of uncertainty and the application of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) to classical uncertainties in position and momentum. The conversation highlights the need for clarity in understanding these concepts and their mathematical representations.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP)
  • Familiarity with quantum mechanics terminology
  • Basic calculus, specifically differentiation
  • Knowledge of classical mechanics concepts related to momentum and energy
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of the time-energy uncertainty relation in quantum mechanics
  • Learn about the implications of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle on classical systems
  • Explore advanced calculus techniques for differentiation in physics
  • Review classical mechanics principles related to momentum and kinetic energy
USEFUL FOR

Students of quantum mechanics, physics educators, and anyone interested in the mathematical foundations of uncertainty principles in physics.

schniefen
Messages
177
Reaction score
4
Homework Statement
See attached images.
Relevant Equations
##\Delta p \Delta x \geq \frac{h}{4\pi}##
1.jpg Is the last inequality correct? Should it not be ##|A|^2 \cdot 2(1+\cos{(ka)})##?2.jpg How is the time calculated here? Given ##\Delta v > 10^{-34}##...3.jpg How come ##mv \Delta v = \Delta (\frac{mv^2}{2})##? Where does the ##(1/2)## come from?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
1. You are correct. Book solution is a mess
2. It's your homework: what's the relevant equation here ? (hint: see 3)
3. Simple differentiation

You should know by now PF homework fora require posted efforts, but I'm convinced you did your part.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: schniefen
schniefen said:
Homework Statement: See attached images.
Homework Equations: ΔpΔx≥h4πΔpΔx≥h4π

View attachment 252715 Is the last inequality correct? Should it not be |A|2⋅2(1+cos(ka))|A|2⋅2(1+cos⁡(ka))?View attachment 252716 How is the time calculated here? Given Δv>10−34Δv>10−34...View attachment 252717 How come mvΔv=Δ(mv22)mvΔv=Δ(mv22)? Where does the (1/2)(1/2) come from?

I must be honest, I don't buy this "uncertainly in the passage of time". What on Earth does that mean?

The Δt in the time-energy uncertainty relation is the time it takes the system to change in some defined way.

In QM, time is a parameter about which there is no uncertainty as such.
 
It's an 'order of magnitude' exercise :rolleyes:
 
Regarding 3, ##mv \Delta v=\Delta (mv^2)##, but where does the last equality follow from?
 
schniefen said:
Regarding 3, ##mv \Delta v=\Delta (mv^2)##, but where does the last equality follow from?
If you extend that notion of a differential to a derivative, with respect to time, then all should be clear.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: schniefen
Why would ##\Delta t > \frac{4\pi(\Delta x)^2}{h}## give the time it takes for ##\Delta x## to double? Where is the factor ##2\Delta x##?
 
schniefen said:
Why would ##\Delta t > \frac{4\pi(\Delta x)^2}{h}## give the time it takes for ##\Delta x## to double? Where is the factor ##2\Delta x##?
The logic is that the uncertainty in ##x## has an associated minimum uncertainty in momentum, hence energy; and you apply the energy-time uncertainty relation.

Have you tried that?
 
schniefen said:
Why would ##\Delta t > \frac{4\pi(\Delta x)^2}{h}## give the time it takes for ##\Delta x## to double? Where is the factor ##2\Delta x##?
The logic is this. You start with an uncertainty in ##x## in the classical sense. You apply the HUP to get an uncertainty in ##v##. You interpret this as a classical uncertainty. You multiply the uncertainty in ##v## by ##\Delta t## to get a further, classical, uncertainty in ##x##.

You want to find ##\Delta t## where the additional uncertainty in ##x## equals the initial uncertainty.

That looks nothing like the QM I know. What book is that?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
3K