Throwing a ball: Motion in one direction

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The problem involves a boy throwing a ball vertically from the top of a building, with various questions regarding the ball's motion, including its initial velocity, maximum height, velocity at different points, and time of flight. The subject area is kinematics, focusing on motion under constant acceleration due to gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the ball traveling upward for 4 seconds and question whether this duration includes the return trip to the original position. Some suggest considering the time to reach the peak and the time to fall back down.
  • There is uncertainty about how to find displacement without an initial velocity, and participants explore different kinematic equations to address this issue.
  • Some participants express confusion about the calculations for maximum height and the relationship between upward and downward motion.
  • Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the ball's motion and the realism of the scenario presented.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on using kinematic equations and exploring different interpretations of the problem. There is a collaborative effort to clarify concepts and address misunderstandings, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential constraints in the problem, such as the assumption of constant acceleration and the effects of gravity, as well as the lack of explicit information regarding the ball's initial velocity and displacement. Some express uncertainty about the realism of the scenario, particularly regarding the height the ball could reach.

  • #31


lNVlNClBLE said:
d)
-40 = 39.2t + (1/2)(-9.8)(t)^2
-40 = 39.2t + (-4.9)(t)^2
-4.9t^2 + 39.2t + 40 = 0
4.9t^2 - 39.2t - 40 = 0

= 39.2 plus/minus sqrt (1536.64 + 784)/9.8
= 39.2 plus/minus sqrt (2320.64)/9.8
= 39.2 plus/minus 48.17/9.8
t = 8.92 seconds

WHEW.

e) v = Vo + at
v = 39.2 + (-9.8)(8.92)
v = 39.2 + (-87.42)
v = -48.22
v = 48.22 m/s

f) 9.8 m/s^2

g) 9.8 m/s^2?
Looks good! (For the last two, you know that the acceleration is 9.8 m/s^2 downward. So you may want a minus sign.)
 
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  • #32


lNVlNClBLE said:
Phew. Long time since I used the quadratic. Can you check to see if that's right?
Also, I've never used it before in physics, so I'm assuming the whole negative part of the plus/minus can be ignored since there's no such thing as negative time.
Looks good. Yes, the negative time solution is not relevant for this problem.

EDIT: Completed the rest of the problem with that time. I assume f is also just 9.8 m/s^2. If so, are those accelerations -9.8, or just 9.8?
Using an "up = positive" convention, you'd need a minus sign.
 
  • #33


Doc Al said:
Looks good. Yes, the negative time solution is not relevant for this problem.


Using an "up = positive" convention, you'd need a minus sign.

Whew, thanks for all the help.

One more question. I started another problem of parabolic motion, and I only got stuck at one part. I need to find the total height of a ball thrown off the top of a building, when the height of the building is 45m, and the ball is thrown at 20m/s at a 30 degree angle.

What formula would I derive the Ymax from? I already solved the x distance displacement and the final velocity.
 
  • #34


remember that the velocity in the y direction is separate from the velocity in the x direction. If you find each component, then you can apply each of them to the relevant things that need to be found. vy for y direction and vx for x direction

so basically you can treat the distance it travels in the y direction in the same way you treated the ball in your first problem
 
  • #35


lNVlNClBLE said:
One more question. I started another problem of parabolic motion, and I only got stuck at one part. I need to find the total height of a ball thrown off the top of a building, when the height of the building is 45m, and the ball is thrown at 20m/s at a 30 degree angle.

What formula would I derive the Ymax from? I already solved the x distance displacement and the final velocity.
As SHISHKABOB says, you'll use the same formulas and methods. Just apply them to the vertical motion separately. Start by figuring out the y-component of the initial velocity.
 

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