Time constant of a transfer function

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The discussion centers on determining the time constant of a third-order transfer function, specifically in the context of control systems. Participants debate the validity of using the second-order time constant formula, T = 1/ξωn, and whether to multiply time constants derived from the factors of the denominator. Key insights include that the response to a step input does not oscillate and that adding a pole at the origin does not affect the time constant. The consensus is that the time constant for the integrator is defined as the time required for the output to reach approximately 63.2% of its final value.

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  • Understanding of transfer functions in control systems
  • Familiarity with time constants in first and second-order systems
  • Knowledge of the step response of dynamic systems
  • Basic concepts of poles and zeros in system dynamics
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  • Study the derivation and application of time constants in third-order systems
  • Learn about the step response and its significance in control theory
  • Explore the impact of poles on system stability and response
  • Review the definitions and calculations of time constants for various system types
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In situations where the system can become unstable, maintaining large enough phase and gain margins is one of the top level requirements. The margins allow for some uncertainty in the modeling and the equipment condition (age, damage, dirt, etc.). In those cases, getting fast response often makes the designs come close to the margin limits. So they become important.

Yes - full agreement.
The classical procedure for designing/tuning a control system is to find a controller that satisfies the requirements in the time domain (response time, overshoot, etc) and - at the same time - in the frequency domain (stability properties, safety margins)
 
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  • #32
I didn't understand. Can you please confirm this:
given transfer function.
Find output for step response using laplace, multiply, then inverse laplace.
Differentiate y(t) to find slope. This gives y'(t)
Then what?
How to find time constant from here?
 
  • #33
Calculating the time constant is possible, but it is rather involved.:

* Find the step response, which should be named g(t)
* Calculate the first derivative g´(t)
* Find the value for g´(t) for very large times (you need the asymptotic line)
* Now you have a slope of a straight line. For finding the equation of this line you need one point on the line.
* Select one point on the g(t) curve for very large times.
* Applying math basics for calculating the equation for the wanted asymptotic line. .
* Find the time t=T where this line crosses the horizontal time axis.
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This is exactly what you can do (much quicker) graphically (crossing of the asymptotic line).
 
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  • #34
I have corrected an error in my above answer; I have forgotten the step for calculating the first derivative g´(t).
 
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