Time-Dependent Schrodinger Equation

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the wave function \(\Psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}\) satisfies the time-dependent Schrödinger equation for a free particle with a constant potential \(U(x) = U_0\), while the functions \(\Psi(x,t) = Acos(kx-\omega t)\) and \(\Psi(x,t) = Asin(kx-\omega t)\) do not. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation and the conditions under which these functions are valid solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the process of substituting the wave function into the Schrödinger equation and taking partial derivatives. There is uncertainty about the relationship between the constants \(U_0\), \(k\), and \(\omega\). Some participants express confusion regarding the correctness of their calculations and the implications of their findings.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on checking the calculations, particularly regarding the treatment of the potential function. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary conditions for the wave function to be a valid solution, with multiple interpretations being considered. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the mathematical steps and the underlying physical principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants are operating under the constraints of the homework problem, which specifies a constant potential. There is mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the nature of free particles and the requirements for the potential energy in the context of the Schrödinger equation.

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Homework Statement



Show that \Psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)} is a solution to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation for a free particle [ U(x) = U_0 = constant ] but that \Psi(x,t) = Acos(kx-\omega t) and \Psi(x,t) = Asin(kx-\omega t) are not.

Homework Equations



- \frac{h^2}{4\pi m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi(x,t)}{\partial x^2}+U(x)\Psi(x,t)=i\frac{h}{2\pi}\frac{\partial\Psi(x,t)}{\partial t}

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to solve the first part of the problem by figuring out if both sides are equal when plugging in \Psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)} for \Psi(x,t) but I'm not even sure if that's how I'm supposed to go about solving this problem. I can take the partial deriviatives OK but I get to a point where I have a bunch of unknowns and I can't tell if both sides are equal.

It's quite possible that I'm going about solving this problem completely wrong and, if that's the case, I'd really like to know.
 
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Peter5897 said:

Homework Statement



Show that \Psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)} is a solution to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation for a free particle [ U(x) = U_0 = constant ] but that \Psi(x,t) = Acos(kx-\omega t) and \Psi(x,t) = Asin(kx-\omega t) are not.

Homework Equations



- \frac{h^2}{4\pi m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi(x,t)}{\partial x^2}+U(x)\Psi(x,t)=i\frac{h}{2\pi}\frac{\partial\Psi(x,t)}{\partial t}

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to solve the first part of the problem by figuring out if both sides are equal when plugging in \Psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)} for \Psi(x,t) but I'm not even sure if that's how I'm supposed to go about solving this problem. I can take the partial deriviatives OK but I get to a point where I have a bunch of unknowns and I can't tell if both sides are equal.

It's quite possible that I'm going about solving this problem completely wrong and, if that's the case, I'd really like to know.
It will be a solution at the condition that there is a certain relation between U_0, k and omega. So k and omega could not be any old number. They must be related by a relation that you will find by plugging the solution in Schrödinger's equation
 
Thanks for the reply, I'm still unsure of what relation I'm looking for. Here are my steps for solving the partial derivatives.

- \frac{h^2}{4\pi m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi(x,t)}{\partial x^2}+U(x)\Psi(x,t)=i\frac{h}{2\pi}\frac{\partial\Psi(x,t)}{\partial t}

- \frac{h^2}{4\pi m}\frac{\partial^2Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}}{\partial x^2}+U(x)Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}=i\frac{h}{2\pi}\frac{\partialAe^{i(kx-\omega t)}}{\partial t}

- \frac{h^2}{4\pi m}k^2Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}+U(x)Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}=i\frac{h}{2\pi}(- \omega)Ae^{i(kx- \omega t)}

- \frac{h^2}{4\pi m}k^2+U(x)=i\frac{h}{2\pi}(- \omega)

U_0=\frac{h}{2\pi}(\frac{1}{2m}k^2-i\omega)

Is there some relation that I'm missing? Well... I guess obviously there is. Either that or I solved the partial derivatives wrong.

**edit**

After plugging in the Acos() equation I noticed that I'm going to have two cos functions on one side and a sin on the other. I assume that when I solve for Asin() I'll have two sin functions on one side and a cos on the other so I obviously won't be able to get down to my U_0 = blah relation I found earlier.

I knew this going in but I'm still not sure what the relation is telling me.
 
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Well, you're missing i (imaginary) when you take partial derivative! I noticed this because you're potential function is imaginary.

Anyway, once you fix your partial derivative and find that your potential is indeed real function, you will immediately see that it is exactly equal to zero(here, you have to invoke de brogile's relation).

In other words, the solution given in problem is indeed free particle (free of potential field)
 
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Wow, I'm a little embarrassed that I forgot to distribute that constant but at least I wasn't totally lost with what I was doing. I haven't redone my work yet since I'm sick and I want to get some sleep but I'm sure it will all work out fine now.

Thanks!
 
Peter5897 said:

Homework Statement



Show that \Psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)} is a solution to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation for a free particle [ U(x) = U_0 = constant ] but that \Psi(x,t) = Acos(kx-\omega t) and \Psi(x,t) = Asin(kx-\omega t) are not.

Homework Equations



- \frac{h^2}{4\pi m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi(x,t)}{\partial x^2}+U(x)\Psi(x,t)=i\frac{h}{2\pi}\frac{\partial\Psi(x,t)}{\partial t}

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to solve the first part of the problem by figuring out if both sides are equal when plugging in \Psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)} for \Psi(x,t) but I'm not even sure if that's how I'm supposed to go about solving this problem. I can take the partial deriviatives OK but I get to a point where I have a bunch of unknowns and I can't tell if both sides are equal.

It's quite possible that I'm going about solving this problem completely wrong and, if that's the case, I'd really like to know.

Hi there i want to prepare the fortran program of time dependent of Schrödinger equation, can u help?
 
HungryChemist said:
... your potential ... is exactly equal to zero ...

In other words, the solution given in problem is indeed free particle (free of potential field)
This is not correct. A free particle does not require vanishing potential. I free particle only requires a total energy above the largest value of the potential energy. A plane wave solution (as is the case in this problem), which is a type of free particle solution, does not require zero potential, either. It requires a constant and uniform potential, as specified by the problem.
 

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