Time derivatives in Spherical Polar Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the time derivatives of unit vectors in spherical polar coordinates, specifically focusing on the relationships between the angles and the remaining spherical polar coordinates. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the professor's request and the meaning of "the other two" spherical polar coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the evaluation of time derivatives of unit vectors in spherical polar coordinates and question the interpretation of the problem statement. There is a mention of using the product rule for derivatives in the context of spherical coordinates.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the problem and discussing the implications of time derivatives in spherical coordinates. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of product rules, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific spherical polar coordinates referenced in the problem, and participants are attempting to clarify the requirements without additional context from the professor.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate r(hat and overdot), θ(hat and overdot), φ(hat and overdot) in terms of (θ , Φ) and the time derivatives of the two remaining spherical polar coordinates. Your results should depend on the spherical polar unit vectors.

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∂/∂t=

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I just need some help understanding what is being asked here. The professor is no help when it comes to asking him for help understanding what he wants. It sounds like he wants me to evaluate the time derivatives of the unit vectors in spherical polar coordinates in relation to the angles. I don't know what he means by the "other two" spherical polar coordinates. Any insight would be helpful!

Thanks!
 
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Given a vector
 
Given a vector
v= {vr,vθ,vφ}
you can write this in terms of the unit vectors
= vr er+ vθ eθ+ vφ eφ.
There I am using the notation that ei is the unit vector associated in the i'th direction.

If you want to take the time derivative of this vector
t v = ∂t (vr er+ vθ eθ+ vφ eφ)
=∂t (vr er)+ ∂t (vθ eθ)+∂t (vφ eφ).

Each component then has a product rule associated with it. For the r direction
t (vr er= ∂t (vr) er)+ vrt (er)

and from there it is necessary to figure out how the unit vectors change in time. In Cartesian co-ordinates they do not, but this is no longer the case in polar co-ordinates.

For reference, if you have or can find a copy of, Taylor Classical Mechanics does this for planar polar systems. The expansion into spherical polar is more tedious but simply a continuation.
 
Suppose you have a function f=f(x,y), where x and y are represented as parametric functions of time t. How would you find the time derivative of f, df/dt?
 

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