Time Dilation: Cells Divide on Earth & Travel to Sun

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving time dilation as two cells travel from Earth to the Sun at a significant fraction of the speed of light (0.85c). The original poster attempts to calculate the number of cell divisions that occur during the journey, considering the effects of time dilation on both the Earth and the rocket's frame of reference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the original poster's calculations regarding the time taken for the trip as observed from Earth and the implications of time dilation on cell division rates. There is a focus on clarifying the time frame used for calculations and the resulting number of cell divisions in different reference frames.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and clarifying the time dilation effects. There is recognition of confusion regarding the labeling of results, and some participants express understanding of the problem as the discussion progresses.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic effects and how they influence biological processes, with specific attention to the assumptions made about time intervals for cell division in different frames of reference.

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Homework Statement



Two cells that divide on Earth each 10s start a travel to the Sun at v = 0.85c (Distance earth-sun: 1.5·10^11 m). How many cells should exist when the rocket they travel in carshes with the Sun?

Homework Equations



Time dilation: t=t0/sqrt[1-v2]

being t0 the time from a 'rest' sytem.

The Attempt at a Solution



My results are:

10 seconds on Earth mean 18.9 seconds on the rocket, due to time dilation, thus it will be less divisions by the time a person on Earth watches the rocket crashes with the Sun. So:

259 cells (From system Earth) = 5,77·1017 cells
232 cells (From system Rocket) = 4 294 967 296 cells

Is this correct? Thank you.
 
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No, not correct. First things first: How long does the trip take according to Earth observers?
 
It appears you are using 590 seconds for t0. How do you determine that?

What is your answer? You have given two different ones.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
It appears you are using 590 seconds for t0. How do you determine that?

What is your answer? You have given two different ones.

AM

Yes, I used 590 seconds, obtained: t = [distance earth-sun)/(speed of light), that is the time that the rocket takes to reach the sun for an oberver on earth.

Because of time for each observer is not the same, a person on Earth will measure 258 divisions and another one on the rocket (in which the cells are) will measure 232 divisions - I forgot to say that in the beginning there was 2 cells. ten seconds later, will be 22, at 20 seconds will be 23... and son on.

Thanks
 
Doc Al said:
No, not correct. First things first: How long does the trip take according to Earth observers?

According to Earth observers: 588,24 s. In this time will be more divsions from Earth than from rocket, due to the time for a single division in rocket is not 10 secds like on earth, but 18,9 seconds.

I'm a little confused


Thanks
 
atomqwerty said:
According to Earth observers: 588,24 s. In this time will be more divsions from Earth than from rocket, due to the time for a single division in rocket is not 10 secds like on earth, but 18,9 seconds.
OK, I see what you're saying and I understand your answers now. (You had labeled both answers as "From system Earth", which threw me off.)

The way I'd state it would be that the travel time according to Earth observers is 588 s. Thus, due to time dilation, the travel time according to the rocket clocks would be 588/1.9 s.

Good!
 
Doc Al said:
OK, I see what you're saying and I understand your answers now. (You had labeled both answers as "From system Earth", which threw me off.)

The way I'd state it would be that the travel time according to Earth observers is 588 s. Thus, due to time dilation, the travel time according to the rocket clocks would be 588/1.9 s.

Good!

Ok! I already fixed that! Thanks, I've understood the problem!
 

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