Time Dilation Comparison: Mass vs Speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparison of time dilation effects due to mass and velocity, specifically examining scenarios involving a person on a massive planet versus one moving at half the speed of light. Participants explore the relationship between gravitational and velocity-dependent time dilation and seek to understand their equivalence under certain conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a typical massed object experiences both types of time dilation throughout its lifetime and seeks to equate the effects of gravitational and velocity-based time dilation.
  • Another participant notes that GPS satellite engineers account for both gravitational and velocity-dependent time dilation, suggesting that gravitational time dilation is more significant in that context.
  • A participant states that the gravitational time dilation on a planet is of the same order of magnitude as the time dilation of an object moving at escape velocity, providing a specific speed for Earth and suggesting that achieving c/2 would require a neutron star.
  • One participant expresses interest in the derivation of the relationship between gravitational and velocity time dilation, indicating surprise at the findings and a desire to deepen their understanding.
  • A later reply provides equations from general relativity that relate time dilation to gravitational mass and velocity, suggesting that the same factor appears in both gravitational and escape velocity scenarios, while noting potential differences at relativistic speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the equivalence of the two types of time dilation, and multiple competing views remain regarding their significance and implications.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions such as the mass of the planet and the velocity of the object, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation of time dilation effects.

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Firstly does a typical massed object surely prone to both kind of time dilations in its lifetime??
Consider 2 cases..
Firstly a person on a heavily massed planet where his time dilation is due to mass of that planet and in other case same person moving at c/2 away from any significant massed object nearby(This means he's not prone to any kind of dilation due to massive gravity fields).In such case,what should be mass of the planet to equalize both kind of time dilations(is there any relation for equating both)?
Figuratively,Which time dilation is more superior taking practicality into consideration(such as moving at c/2 isn't plausible than thriving on a planet of earth-like massed planet) ? Is there any field of study my question goes in too? If yes, please name it..Thanks in advance..I hope i made sense :)
 
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not sure what you mean by equalize.

however, GPS satellite engineers from the US Naval Observatory take into account both gravitational and velocity dependent time-dilation.

in this case, grav time-dilation is more significant
 
The (absolute) gravitational time dilation on a planet (relative to free space) has the same order of magnitude as the (relative) time dilation of an object moving with escape velocity (relative to some observer). For earth, this is ~11km/s. To get c/2, you need a neutron star.
 
mfb said:
The (absolute) gravitational time dilation on a planet (relative to free space) has the same order of magnitude as the (relative) time dilation of an object moving with escape velocity (relative to some observer). For earth, this is ~11km/s. To get c/2, you need a neutron star.

WOW..thats interesting..Is there any derivation for this..?Isn't it surprising to be so?Just wondering if this deepens my understanding about time..
 
It has an actual connection in GR:

$$t_{surface} = t_{space} \sqrt{1-\frac{2GM}{rc^2}}$$
$$t_{moving} = t_{observer}\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}$$

In the non-relativistic limit, the escape velocity is given by
$$v_e=\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}}$$
Plug it in, and you get the same factor in both equations.

Might be different for v ~ c (=> neutron stars and black holes).
 

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