Time Dilation Gamma Factor: New to STR, Confused?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time dilation in special relativity (STR), specifically focusing on the gamma factor and its implications when light travels perpendicular and parallel to the motion of an observer. Participants explore the confusion surrounding the application of the gamma factor in different scenarios involving light and motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the gamma factor, noting that applying it to light traveling along the motion of a train yields a different expression than expected.
  • Another participant explains the necessity of considering light's path between mirrors at right angles to the direction of travel, emphasizing the impact of length contraction on the distance between mirrors.
  • A participant shares an animation illustrating time dilation and length contraction using a circular light clock, highlighting how the observer's motion affects the perceived timing of light reflections.
  • There is a question raised about the absence of the outbound wavefront in the animation, suggesting a desire for clarity in the visual representation of the concept.
  • A participant responds by asserting that the expanding blue circle in the animation represents the outbound wavefront.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the principles of time dilation and length contraction, but there is confusion and differing interpretations regarding the application of the gamma factor and the representation of light's behavior in the animation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the confusion regarding the gamma factor when light travels parallel to the motion, and there are differing views on the completeness of the animation in illustrating the concepts discussed.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals new to special relativity, particularly those interested in the concepts of time dilation and length contraction, may find this discussion beneficial.

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i am comletely new to STR, and have just finish reading time dilation. (gamma factor)

but i am confuse why to illustrate the factor, light always travel prependiculer to the motion of the "train"

i try to apply the same thing when light travel along the motion of the train, then i got gamma=1/(1-v/c) rather than 1/(1-v^2/c^2)^0.5

can anyone help me out of the confusion?

thanks very much
 
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Just like when you track the course of the light flash bouncing between two mirrors that are placed at right angles to the direction of travel, you have to track the light flash between two mirrors along the direction of travel. Keep in mind that the mirrors in this case will be closer together by a factor of one over gamma due to length contraction.

I made an animation that illustrates time dilation and length contraction in relation to a "circular light clock" for a moving observer. Because the observer is moving, his circle of mirrors moving along with him is contracted along the direction of motion and takes the form of an oval or ellipse, showing length contraction. When he sets off a flash of light, it forms an expanding circle of light which hits the different parts of the mirror at different time but when the reflections all return to him, they arrive at the same instant of time, which takes longer than if he had been at rest, showing time dilation.

Here is a link to the animation:

 
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ghwellsjr said:
I made an animation that illustrates time dilation and length contraction in relation to a "circular light clock" for a moving observer ... Here is a link to the animation:



Very good ghwellsjr. I'm curious, how's come you opt'ed not to show the outbound wavefront for the moving observer? Just didn't want to clutter the figure maybe?

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I thought I did. Isn't the expanding blue circle the outbound wavefront?
 

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