Time elapsed along an accelerated world line

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of proper time elapsed along an accelerated world line in the context of special relativity. Participants explore the mathematical formulation required to express this calculation, focusing on parametrization and the use of differentials in the integration process.

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  • One participant proposes using integration to calculate the total proper time for an accelerated frame, suggesting a specific formulation involving spacetime intervals.
  • Another participant challenges the use of coordinate differentials in the proposed formulation, suggesting that the chain rule should be applied differently.
  • Subsequent posts clarify the correct notation for the integrals and the use of contravariant indices in the expressions.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriate metric convention to use, with one participant confirming the use of the Minkowski signature.
  • A participant requests assistance with LaTeX formatting for a matrix representation of the proper time equation.
  • Another participant provides a matrix formulation for the proper time integral, confirming its correctness.

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Participants engage in clarifying and refining mathematical expressions, with some agreement on the correct formulation of the proper time integral. However, there is no explicit consensus on all aspects of the parametrization and notation used.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings regarding the application of the chain rule and the representation of differentials, as well as the specific metric conventions being employed.

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Since an accelerated frame is at rest in some inertial frame (MCRF) only at at a particular instance, I clearly have to use integration to calculate the total proper time elapsed for the accelerated frame. If I take an infinitesimally small spacetime interval along an arbitrary timelike path, then ##dτ^2=dt^2-dx^2-dy^2-dz^2=(1-\frac {dx^2} {dt^2} -\frac {dy^2} {dt^2} - \frac {dz^2} {dt^2})## ##dt^2##.
Now my main question is how to parametrize this is terms of another variable ##θ##. If I apply the chain rule on the equation above, then
##dτ = \sqrt{\frac {dt^2-dx^2-dy^2-dz^2}{dθ^2}}## ##dθ## (note: I'm not using polar coordinates here). I'm a little unsure here: can I write the numerator as ##-η_{μν} x_μ x_ν##?
If yes, then does the equation become $$τ = \int \sqrt{-η_{μν} \frac{dx_μ dx_ν}{dθ^2}} dθ$$ ?
EDIT: I'd accidentally written the numerator in the expression as $$x_μ x_ν$$ and forgotten to add the ##d## part.
 
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No, you are changing coordinate differentials for coordinates. If you put the differentials instead it will be true, but you can simply apply the chain rule a few times instead.
 
Aaargh, I missed the ##d##, sorry I meant $$τ = \int \sqrt{-η_{μν}\frac{dx_μ dx_ν}{dθ^2}} dθ$$. So this is correct?
 
Essentially, you would typically not write the denominator as ##d\theta^2## but instead use derivatives.
 
Oh, and the indices on your coordinate differentials should be contravariant.
 
Alright thanks. So the correct way to write it is $$τ = \int \sqrt{-η_{μν} \frac{dx^μ}{dθ} \frac{dx^ν}{dθ}} dθ$$?
 
Yes, assuming your metric convention is -+++.
 
Yes, I'm using the Minkowski signature. I actually wanted to write down the matrix for complete clarity, but I'm not able to do it with Latex (I tried reading the guide as well). Can you please post it so that I can take a look at the code?
 
You mean
<br /> τ = \int \sqrt{ - <br /> \begin{bmatrix}\dot t &amp; \dot x &amp; \dot y &amp; \dot z\end{bmatrix}<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> -1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> \begin{bmatrix}\dot t \\ \dot x \\ \dot y \\ \dot z\end{bmatrix}<br /> } \, d\theta<br />where
<br /> \dot t = \frac{dt}{d\theta}<br />etc? (In units where c = 1).
 
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Yes! Thanks :)
 

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