Time for Two Balls to Reach Same Height

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The problem involves two balls: a red ball thrown downward and a blue ball thrown upward, with the goal of determining when they will be at the same height. The context includes kinematic equations and the effects of gravity on their motion.

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  • Participants discuss setting the height equations equal to find the time when both balls are at the same height. There are attempts to clarify the signs used in the equations and the implications of the chosen coordinate system. Questions arise regarding the treatment of initial heights and the consistency of acceleration signs.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's equations and reasoning. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the problem setup, particularly concerning the direction of acceleration and the reference point for height. Some guidance has been offered regarding the consistency of signs and the inclusion of initial heights.

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Participants note the importance of the initial height of the blue ball and the need for consistent sign conventions throughout the calculations. There is a recognition of the downward acceleration affecting both balls equally.

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Homework Statement


A red ball is thrown down with an initial speed of 1.0 m/s from a height of 27.0 meters above the ground. Then, 0.4 seconds after the red ball is thrown, a blue ball is thrown upward with an initial speed of 24.8 m/s, from a height of 0.8 meters above the ground. The force of gravity due to the Earth results in the balls each having a constant downward acceleration of 9.81 m/s2.
How long after the red ball is thrown, will the two balls be in the air at the same height.

Homework Equations


X=X(initial)+v(initial)t+1/2at^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I set the equations equal to each other for each ball (making x the same) so I got..
27+1t+4.9t^2=24.8(t-.4)+4.9(t-.4)^2
After factoring and so on, I got to..
35.96=19.88t
t=1.8
This is not correct, where am I going wrong?
 
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Welcome to PF n_nason!You're not being consistent with signs. Choose upward to be either the positive x-direction, or the negative x direction, but stick with your choice.
 
So say I make the second half of my equation...
-24.8(t-.4)-4.9(t-.4)^2
Then my equation would be...
1t+4.9t^2+27=-24.8(t-.4)-4.9(t-.4)^2
My acceleration would not cancel, is that the right track?
 
What happened to the 0.8 metres?

EDIT: also, the acceleration is in the SAME direction for both balls (downward). So why do the two 4.9s have different signs? Gravity didn't suddenly become upward.

Also, if your origin (x = 0) is at the ground level, and you've chosen upward to be the negative x-direction, then all of your positions should be negative as well.
 
Oh, right that makes sense.
Still not getting the correct answer,
1t+4.9t^2+27=-24.8t+9.92+4.9t^2-3.92t+.784+.8
is my simplified answer
canceling acceleration and solving for t I get,
29.72t=-15.496
t=-1.92
 
Again, you chose upward to be the negative x-direction, so all of your positions should be negative.
 

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