Time period of oscillation and displacement from O

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The discussion revolves around the time period of oscillation in the context of simple harmonic motion, specifically examining why the period remains constant despite changes in displacement. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the relationship between displacement and period in oscillatory systems, particularly with springs and pendulums.

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  • Participants explore the reasons behind the constancy of the oscillation period, referencing the characteristics of simple harmonic oscillators and comparing them to pendulum behavior. Questions arise about the implications of varying displacement on restoring forces and energy in the system.

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Multiple perspectives are being explored regarding the relationship between amplitude and period. Some participants provide insights into the mechanics of simple harmonic motion, while others introduce nuances related to pendulum behavior. The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying concepts and addressing assumptions.

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There is a mention of the limitations of the simple harmonic approximation for pendulums at larger angles, indicating that assumptions about constancy may not hold under all conditions. The original poster's inquiry suggests a need for deeper understanding of these principles.

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My big hangup in this situation is why T, the period, of the oscillation doesn't change?
If you increase the displacement by 2A does this mean that since the force acting on the spring also increases proportionally there's just no change in frequency and the time period of oscillation? I understand however that the energy in the system increases is quadrupled. graphing Force with respect to distance, it's 4 times the area underneath the graph if you double A, the displacement, according to hooke's law.

So! Why does the Time period of oscillation not change at all? This is what confuses me! Thankyou for any response :)
 

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hi magiclink! :smile:
magiclink said:
… why T, the period, of the oscillation doesn't change?

same as the reason why the period of a pendulum doesn't change (that's why a pendulum clock works steadily even though it's running down) …

it's a simple harmonic oscillator: the equation is x'' = -kx, and the solutions are harmonic functions with frequency √k, times constants :wink:
 
This is a feature of the simple harmonic oscillator, the period is independent of the amplitude. In terms of the mechanics, the greater maximum displacement means a greater restoring force so a faster trip through the cycle.

Imagine different spring force relationships, F = f(x). If the restoring force gets larger much faster as x increases then for larger displacements you get a faster cycle. (Imagine a rubber ball swinging on a pendulum and bouncing between two walls until it losses enough energy and simply swings at a slower rate.

Likewise if the restoring force grows more slowly with x you'll have what you intuition might imagine, larger amplitudes have longer periods. Example there, orbiting planets.

Somewhere in between there should be a spring force relationship where the period for all amplitudes match. That turns out to be the Hook's law case.
 
tiny-tim said:
hi magiclink! :smile:


same as the reason why the period of a pendulum doesn't change (that's why a pendulum clock works steadily even though it's running down) …

it's a simple harmonic oscillator: the equation is x'' = -kx, and the solutions are harmonic functions with frequency √k, times constants :wink:

Actually a true pendulum does change. We take the SHO approximation for small oscillations sin(\theta) \approx \theta. :wink: :wink:

The "rule of thumb" is when the pendulum swings more than 10° the SHO approximation breaks down and you shouldn't assume it has constant period. In the extreme case, if you start the pendulum all the way at the top it has infinite period. If it's not quite all the way up, you get a long wait while it slowly moves further off center and then the big swing.
 
Thankyou so much for your replies! It's helped me tremendously! :) I've wrapped my head around it now.
 

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