Time rate of change for electric flux help

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a capacitor with square plates, where a current is charging the capacitor. Participants are tasked with finding the time rate of change of electric flux and the displacement current between the plates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between electric flux and the electric field, with some attempting to derive the electric field from given parameters. Questions arise regarding the correct application of formulas and the interpretation of variables such as area and distance in the context of electric flux.

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Several participants have offered insights into the relationships between current, charge, and electric field. There is ongoing exploration of how to correctly calculate the electric field and its implications for electric flux. Multiple interpretations and approaches are being discussed without a clear consensus on the correct method.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships involved, particularly regarding the use of area versus distance in calculations. There is also mention of specific values and units that may be causing confusion.

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Homework Statement



A 0.100A current is charging a capacitor that has square plates 5.00cm on each side. The plate separation is 4.00mm. Find (a) the time rate of change of electric flux between the plates and (b) the displacement current between the plates.

Homework Equations


I pretty much know how to get the displacement current using

I= epsilon [flux/t] I just don't know how to get the electric flux


The Attempt at a Solution



b= uI= (4pi x 10^-7)(0.100)
then flux = B x A
but it asks for rate of change. the answer given is 11.3GV x m/s

any help would be appreciated.
 
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Electric flux for your case is E*A. You can find E since it is a parallel plate capacitor. And you know A = s^2.
 
right, but I am still having trouble getting E field. I have C=eA/d giving me 5.51 and I am sure I am doing something wrong to get E. sorry I feel dumb for asking but how do I get E from the given.
 
The electric field is:

[tex]E=\sigma / \epsilon[/tex]

Where [tex]\sigma[/tex] is just the surface charge density. By the way, the current is I = dq/dt, so you can figure out the charge build up per unit time with that.
 
oh, ok so this is what I have

I=dq/dt => dt x I = dq => (1.00)(0.100)= 0.100 =q

surface charge density= q/A => (0.100)/(25) = .00400

E = SD/e = (.004)/(8.85 x 10^-12) = 451977401.1

d(flux) = E dA = (451977401.1) x (50.0) = 2.260 x 10^10

when deriving it though I don't get the answer. am I suppose to use distance of speration of plates instead of area for flux? thanks for putting up with my questions.
 
You can start with the definition of the capacity.
When the capacity is charging, the increase in the voltage of the plates is given by
dQ = C*dV
Since the electric field between the parallel plates of the capacity is uniform, dE = dV/d where d is the distance between the plates.
Substituting the expression for C = εοA/d, we have
dQ = εοA/d*dV = εοA*dE
So dQ/dt = εοA*dE/dt = εο*dφ/dt
i.e. i = εο*dφ/dt.
 

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