Time taken to start pure rolling

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The problem involves a solid sphere transitioning from sliding to pure rolling motion on a rough horizontal surface. The initial conditions include a linear speed and an angular speed, with the goal of determining the time at which pure rolling begins.

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  • Participants discuss the effects of friction on both linear and angular velocities, with one participant attempting to calculate the time taken for angular velocity to reach zero before transitioning to pure rolling.
  • There is a suggestion to clarify the labeling of time intervals to align with the problem's requirements.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the direction of motion and its implications for the problem.

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Several participants have provided feedback on the original poster's approach, with some indicating that a more straightforward method could be used. There is recognition of the need to consider the entire time frame from the start of the motion, rather than isolating segments of the motion.

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Participants note the potential ambiguity in interpreting the direction of motion based on cultural differences in writing direction. Additionally, there is mention of a small picture provided, which may aid in visualizing the problem.

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Homework Statement


A solid sphere of radius R is set into motion on a rough horizontal surface with a linear speed v0 in forward direction and angular speed ω0##=\frac{v_0}{2R}## in counter clockwise direction. Find time after which pure rolling starts.

Homework Equations


For pure rolling, ##v=\omega R##
##\tau=I\alpha##
##I=\frac{2}{5}mR^2##
##f=\mu N##
(N is normal reaction)

The Attempt at a Solution


Friction acts in backward direction (opposite to velocity) to change the direction of rotation.
First, the angular velocity and linear velocity decreases.
Then the angular velocity becomes zero but the sphere still has a velocity.
Then the angular velocity increases in opposite directions till ##\omega=v/R##

##f=\mu mg##
##\alpha=\frac{5\mu g}{2R}##
##a=\mu g##

Time taken for angular velocity to become zero ##t_0=\frac{v_0}{5\mu g}##
Velocity at ##t_0## is ##v=\frac{4v_0}{5}##
After that, ##\omega## increases from 0 to ##v/R##
##\frac{4v_0}{5R}-\frac{\mu gt}{R}=\frac{5\mu g}{2R}t##
This gives ##t=\frac{8v_0}{35\mu g}## which is incorrect. What is the mistake in my approach?
 
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Your work looks good. Did you combine the two times to get the total time?
 
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You don't state what ##t_0## is but it appears you are intending it to mark the time when the sphere's angular velocity is zero.

That's likely to cause you problems because the question wants the time since the beginning of the experiment, not from the time of zero angular velocity. I think your final answer measures ##t## as time since ##t_0##, which is not what the question is asking for. I suggest you re-label, calling the beginning of the experiment ##t_0## (which matches the label ##v_0##), the time of zero rotation ##t_1## and the time of commencing rolling ##t_2##. The question asks for ##t_2-t_0##.
 
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I got the correct answer now @TSny
@andrewkirk , the equation came from ##\frac{v}{R}=\omega##.
##v=v'-\mu gt##, ##\omega=\alpha t=\frac{5\mu g}{2R}t##
##t## is measured since ##t_0##. I forgot about that.
I could have avoided finding ##t_0## and used two equations ##v=v_0-\mu gt##, ##\omega=-\omega_0+\alpha t##.
 
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I got the correct answer now @TSny
OK, good.
You don't need to break the problem up into two parts. The linear and angular accelerations are constant during the whole time. So, you can set up the equations to take you all the way from initial conditions to the final time.
 
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It's interesting to note that the question assumes, with no justification, that the reader will interpret 'forward direction' to mean 'from left to right'. That assumption turned out to be accurate in this case, with the three people that looked at the problem all assuming it meant from left to right.

I wonder though, whether in a country where writing goes from right to left - such as in Arabic, Urdu or Farsi - it would typically be interpreted as meaning the sphere was moving from right to left, in which case the answer would be a much shorter time.
 
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A picture is given. But its small.
 
t = v0/3μg
after this time, ball will start pure rolling
 

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