Time Varying Potential Homework Solution

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The discussion revolves around a time-dependent potential energy problem in classical mechanics, specifically focusing on the dynamics of a particle influenced by a varying potential. The participants are tasked with finding the position and velocity of the particle at time T in terms of its initial conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss resolving forces in Cartesian coordinates and solving second-order differential equations for different time intervals. There are attempts to express the z-coordinate in terms of initial conditions, leading to lengthy calculations. Some participants question the feasibility of combining terms for the overall position vector r(T) due to differing coefficients.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided calculations and suggestions for simplifying the expressions. There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the z-component calculations, and some participants are exploring alternative forms to express solutions. The discussion is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach to express r(T) in terms of r(0).

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of expressing r(T) and v(T) in terms of r(0) and v(0) as required by the problem statement. There is a mention of needing to find a specific value of ωT for a trapped particle, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A time dependent potential energy is given by
V(r,t) = \frac{M}{2}f(t)\omega^{2}(x^{2}+y^{2}-2z^{2})where f(t) = 1 for 0<t<\frac{T}{2} and f(t)= -1 for \frac{T}{2}<t<T.

and f(t+T) = f(t)

Find r(T) and v(T) in terms of r(0) and v(0)

Homework Equations



F=-\nablaV

The Attempt at a Solution



So far i have tried resolving the forces to each of the cartesian coordinate separately and finding out x,y,z in terms of t. I solve the 2nd order differential equation for t<T/2 and express x(T/2) in terms of x(0). THen i move on to solve the differential equation for T/2<t<T and substituting x(T/2) as initial conditions to solve for constant and before finding X(T). This works pretty fine for the x and y coordinates but the z coordinate part becomes hell as the equation become absurdly long.
 
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Show us your calculations for the z-components. It sounds like your approach would be fine.
 
Ok here goes then,

For 0<t<T/2

2m\omega^{2}z=m\ddot{z}

general solution for such a 2nd order differential is

z= Ae^{\sqrt{2}\omega t}+Be^{-\sqrt{2}\omega t}

z(0) = A+B
\frac{\dot{z(0)}}{\sqrt{2}\omega}=A-B

so A = \frac{1}{2}(z(0)+\frac{\dot{z(0)}}{\sqrt{2}\omega})
and B = \frac{1}{2}(z(0)-\frac{\dot{z(0)}}{\sqrt{2}\omega})

therefore Z(\frac{T}{2})= \frac{1}{2}(z(0)+\frac{\dot{z(0)}}{\sqrt{2}\omega})e^{\sqrt{2}\omega \frac{T}{2}} + \frac{1}{2}(z(0)-\frac{\dot{z(0)}}{\sqrt{2}\omega})e^{-\sqrt{2}\omega \frac{T}{2}}

Moving on to \frac{T}{2}<t<T

\ddot{z} = -2\omega^{2}z

So general Solution is z = C cos(\sqrt{2}\omega t) + D sin(\sqrt{2}\omega t)
\frac{\dot{z}}{\sqrt{2}\omega} = -C sin(\sqrt{2}\omega t) +Dcos(\sqrt{2}\omega t)

Heres wheres the maths gets really long and in fact pretty much too long for such an exercise. I substitute z(\frac{T}{2}) as the intial conditions to to find constants C and D and i end up with a multitudes of trigonometrics and hyperbolics. Am i on the right track?
 
Try this trick. Write your solution for t>T/2 as z(t)=C\cos[\sqrt{2}\omega(t-T/2)]+D\sin[\sqrt{2}\omega(t-T/2)].

I'd also try writing the solution for t<T/2 in terms of sinh and cosh, just to make it less unwieldy.
 
Wow didnt think of that trick thanks!

I've applied it and gotten a much shorter term for z(T) and \dot{z}(T)

However, to express r(T) in terms of r(0) ill need to merge all the terms together. but i cannot combine the terms together where r(T) = x(T) i + y(T) j + z(T) k. this is because the z(0) has different coefficients from the y(0) and x(0). in particular the sine and cosine terms have an extra \sqrt{2} inside. i used eulers equation to pull out an e^{\sqrt{2}} from both the trigo and hyperbolic trigo in the z term and end up with more z(0) than x(0) and y(0) i don't know how now to express r(T) in terms of r(0) since r requires equal amounts of x y and z.

EDIT: Working out what i said i realized the mistake in the above paragraph i can't remove the \sqrt{2} from the exponential haha what a stupid maths error. Anyways now I am totally stuck as to how to express generally r(T) in terms of r(0). i expand out and the x(0) y(0) and z(0) have different coefficients and hence i cannot pull out the r(0) term.
 
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I don't think that's necessary or possible. I'm sure the problem simply wants you to write r(T) in terms of the initial conditions.
 
Hmmm but the problem explicitly states express r(T) and v(T) in terms of r(0) and v(0). because for the next part we must find the value of ωT that shows a trapped particle.

I could equate each of the coordinate at t=T with the one at t=0 but then ill still have to solve them simultaneously for times which all 3 coordinates x(T) y(T) and z(T) are equal to their initial counterparts.
 

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