To what degree can mathematicians research physics and vice versa

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The discussion revolves around the extent to which mathematicians can engage in research within physics and vice versa. It explores the relationship between mathematical concepts and physical theories, particularly in the context of historical figures like David Hilbert and Albert Einstein.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the degree to which mathematicians can research physics and vice versa, particularly in specialized fields like analysis.
  • David Hilbert's quote about physics becoming too difficult for physicists is referenced, sparking discussion about the implications of this statement.
  • There is mention of a perceived controversy regarding Hilbert's contributions to general relativity, with differing views on the nature of his collaboration with Einstein.
  • One participant suggests that mathematicians can contribute to physics if they are willing to embrace the ill-defined nature of physical concepts.
  • Another participant raises the question of why Hilbert did not formulate general relativity earlier, despite his mathematical knowledge.
  • There is a suggestion that mathematicians from various specializations, including analysis, geometry, and algebra, can choose topics in physics for research.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mathematics and physics, particularly regarding historical contributions and the ability of mathematicians to engage in physical research. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and boundaries of mathematical concepts in relation to physics, and there are unresolved questions regarding the historical context of contributions to general relativity.

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indeed, this is the question:
"to what degree can mathematicians research physics and vice versa ?"
also, say you're in the analysis department of math for instance, to what degree is your research confined to the branch of analysis?
thanks
 
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David Hilbert said : "Physics is getting too difficult for Physicists"
 
wow, that's one hell of a coincidence! I just read that yesterday :D
 
Dr Transport said:
David Hilbert said : "Physics is getting too difficult for Physicists"

No wonder there's a controversy regarding Hilbert's contribution to general relativity.
 
failexam said:
No wonder there's a controversy regarding Hilbert's contribution to general relativity.

There's no controversy, Einstein constantly supplied him with ideas and the status of his work, so that Hilbert's article of 1915 didn't pop out of thin air.
 
Well, obviously Hilbert's article didn't pop out of thin air!

But couldn't Einstein have formulated his theory quicker if he had been more adept in mathematics?
 
Perhaps...

As to the original question of this thread, there's still a lot of room being left for mathematicians to write papers in (mathematical) physics, no doubt about it. After all, the tradition of the 20th century: Hilbert, von Neumann, Weyl, Wigner, Gelfand, Naimark, K. Friedrichs, I.E. Segal, Mackey, etc. must be carried forward.
 
damabo said:
indeed, this is the question:
"to what degree can mathematicians research physics and vice versa ?"
also, say you're in the analysis department of math for instance, to what degree is your research confined to the branch of analysis?
thanks
Mathematicians can do good work in physics if, and only if they are able to ill-define their mathematical concepts, i.e. if they understand that physics is ill-defined mathematical structure.

sam
 
failexam said:
Well, obviously Hilbert's article didn't pop out of thin air!

But couldn't Einstein have formulated his theory quicker if he had been more adept in mathematics?
Hilbert knew all the mathematical structures of GR 20 years before 1916, so why didn't he formulate GR 20 years ealier than Einstein?

Sam
 
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so everybody thinks that mathematicians (whether specialized in analysis, geometry, or algebra) can choose topics in physics - I mean professors, but also post-doc researchers and people working on their PhD ?
 

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