Torque and power produced in an engine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of torque and power produced by an internal combustion (IC) engine, specifically why maximum torque can occur over a range of engine speeds while maximum power is achieved at a single speed. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical reasoning related to engine performance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that maximum power occurs after peak torque because torque does not decrease as rapidly with increasing RPM.
  • Another participant proposes that torque is related to the average pressure in the cylinders, which remains relatively constant throughout a range of RPMs, leading to consistent torque values.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of being skeptical about unsupported claims, highlighting that good scientific practice involves questioning assertions until they are verified.
  • One participant mentions a diagram that illustrates how cylinder pressure changes with engine speed, noting that peak pressure decreases slowly as speed increases, which may explain the flat torque curve in certain engines.
  • Another participant states that the amount of air and fuel entering the engine cylinders affects torque, which remains nearly constant across a range of RPMs.
  • One participant provides a formula relating horsepower to torque and RPM, indicating the mathematical relationship between these quantities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of certainty regarding the explanations for torque and power behavior in engines. While some viewpoints align on the relationship between torque and cylinder pressure, others remain skeptical or seek further validation of claims made.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference external sources and diagrams to support their claims, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying uncertainties or assumptions regarding the mechanics of torque and power in IC engines.

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Homework Statement


Why does an IC engine generate about the same maximum torque over a range of engine speeds but the maximum power at only one speed?


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


For max power, the best I can come up with is that since torque does not drop as fast as rpm is increasing, max power occurs after peak torque.

As for why max torque can occur over a range of engine rpm, I have no clue.
 
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I'm no expert, but with a bit of hand waving I would say that the torque is more or less directly related to the "average" pressure after ignition in each cylinder and since this pressure is more or less the same at the same point in the stroke-cycle for a cylinder for a wide range of rpm's, the torque must also be more or less the same.

Your explanation for maximum power sounds correct.

I hope a late answer is better than no answer at all. If nothing else, its an interesting question.
 
Thanks. The thing is, there's no mention of this in our coursebook, and because our lecturers are old men, they don't check their emails. So you'll forgive me if I don't take your answer unless you're absolutely certain

----EDIT----

The lecturer just released the answers. You were right after all. My apologies for ever doubting you.
 
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Being skeptical about unsupported claims is a hallmark of good science, so no need for apologies, my friend.

Even though your professor released their answers, to support my claim I may add that I did manage to find a diagram labeled "Effect of engine speed on cylinder pressure with variable optimum ignition timing" in [1] depicting cylinder pressure vs crank-angle position for various engine speeds that show the peak pressure only drops very slowly as speed increases. The "variable optimum ignition timing" here means that ignition is started earlier on the crank-angle position for higher speeds to compensate for flame propagation time, so for a very simple internal combustion engines without such compensations the torque curve may not be as flat as it is for a modern or more advanced engine.

[1] Advance Engine Technology, Heinz Heisler, Butterworth-Heinemann, 1995.
 
Ah thankyou.
 
Friend what I think is torque developed depends on amount of air and fuel gets into the engine cylenders. This is almost equal for a range of rpm. So max. torque is defined for a range of rpm
 
Horsepower is a function of torque over time. Put simply, HP = Torque x RPM / 5252. (Google will provide numerous descriptions of the derivation.)
 

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