Torque Causing Angular Acceleration on a Uniform Disk

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular acceleration of a uniform disk subjected to multiple forces. The original poster has attempted several parts of the problem related to torque and angular acceleration, but is struggling particularly with the final calculation involving net torque and moment of inertia.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between torque, moment of inertia, and angular acceleration, questioning the units involved in the calculations.
  • Some participants suggest checking the calculations for potential errors, particularly in the context of rounding and unit conversions.
  • There is a focus on clarifying the definitions and units of torque and moment of inertia, with discussions on how these relate to the final result for angular acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaged in troubleshooting the calculations, with some providing insights into unit conversions and the implications of rounding errors. The original poster has acknowledged a mistake in their reasoning and is working towards correcting it based on feedback received.

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The problem involves a uniform disk with specified mass and radius, and the forces acting on it are defined in terms of their distances from the center of mass. The discussion reflects an ongoing effort to reconcile the calculations with the expected format of the answer in radians per second squared.

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Homework Statement


/* Intro, personal: I am taking Studio Physics 1 at FSU this summer semester. We have an online homework assigned weekly via a program called ExpertTA. This question has been giving me the HARDEST time and I seriously just need some help on it. I have completed and submitted sections a-g and all were correct. Part h), however, I must be doing wrong or something because I believe that I have tried every possibility that I can come up with. Whoever attempts to give this a shot, I genuinely appreciate it. I'm not one to usually ask for help, but like I said... I am stumped. */

PROBLEM:
A uniform disk of mass m and radius R can rotate about an axle through its center. Four forces are acting on it as shown in the figure. These forces are labeled F1, F2, F3, and F4. F2 and F4 act a distance d from the center of mass while the other two act on the outer edge of the disk. These forces are all in the plane of the disk.

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RANDOMIZED VARIABLES:
m= 3.6 kg
R= 24 cm = 0.24 m
F1= 2.5 N
F2= 2.5 N
F3= 6.5 N
F4= 4.5 N
d= 3.5 cm = 0.035 m

a) Write an expression for the magnitude τ1 of the torque due to force F1
ANSWER: τ1 = F1R

b) Calculate the magnitude τ1 of the torque due to force F1, in N·m
ANSWER: τ1 = 0.6

[c) Write an expression for the magnitude τ2 of the torque due to force F2
ANSWER: τ2 = F2d

d) Calculate the magnitude τ2 of the torque due to force F2, in N·m
ANSWER: τ2 = 0.0875

[e) Write an expression for the magnitude τ3 of the torque due to force F3
ANSWER: τ3 = 0

[f) Write an expression for the magnitude τ4 of the torque due to force F4
ANSWER: τ4 = dF4sin(53)

g) Calculate the magnitude τ4 of the torque due to force F4, in N·m
ANSWER: τ4 = 0.1258

h) Calculate the angular acceleration α of the disk about its center of mass in rad/s2. Let the counter-clockwise direction be positive.
PREVIOUS ANSWERS:
Xα=3.95
Xα=25.65
Xα=25.6519
Xα=25.66

Homework Equations



τ=rFsin(θ)
τ=Iα
α=τNET/I
\downarrow Moment of Inertia of a uniform disk about its center of mass
I=\frac{1}{2}mR2

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't recall how I got the first answer that I submitted, but I do for the last three.
Since the directions of the torques varies, the net torque will be calculated by adding the two ccw torques and subtracting the cw torque
τNET124
Next I set up the angular acceleration equation using the net torque just written and the moment of inertia formula
α=τNET/I = (τ124 )/ (\frac{1}{2}mR2)
This equation produces the answer in terms of m/s2, but the question clearly asks for radians so, using the equation where 1 rad = 0.24 m = R
α=(τ124 )/ (\frac{1}{2}mR2)·\frac{1 rad}{R}
This SHOULD give me the correct answer. And, plugging all of the numbers in, I get 25.6519 but that is allegedly incorrect.
Please help me.
 
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hdp12 said:
Next I set up the angular acceleration equation using the net torque just written and the moment of inertia formula
α=τNET/I = (τ123 )/ (\frac{1}{2}mR2)
This equation produces the answer in terms of m/s2,
[...]
What leads you to think that the result of this equation is in meters per second squared? What are the units of torque? What are the units of moment of inertia? What are the units of the quotient?
 
Error

I made an error in translating my work, I'm going to go back and fix it now.
Basically, τ3 is 0, so in my writing out the work that I did I accidentally wrote τ3 instead of τ4
Fixing that now
 
With full precision I get 25.6512463... . Perhaps the rounding is the problem.
 
jbriggs444 said:
What leads you to think that the result of this equation is in meters per second squared? What are the units of torque? What are the units of moment of inertia? What are the units of the quotient?

Hm, okay. Lemme work this out.
Units of torque?
τ = (#) N·m = (#) (kg·m·m/s·s) · m = (#) kg·m3·s-2
m = (#) kg
R = (#) m
R2 = (#) m2
Units of moment of inertia?
I = 0.5·m·R·R = (#) kg·m2
α = τ/I = kg·m3·s-2/kg·m2 = kg·kg-1·m3·m-2·s-2 =(cancelling) [STRIKE]kg·kg-1[/STRIKE]·m[STRIKE]3·m-2[/STRIKE]·s-2 = m·s-2

So that's my reasoning for why I believe the equation results in m/s2
 
verty said:
With full precision I get 25.6512463... . Perhaps the rounding is the problem.

Honestly I thought so as well and that's why I tried a few variations of 25.65... they all came back as incorrect though. This homework program usually accepts answers within at least a tenth of a decimal point of the correct answer. For example is 25.65 WAS the correct answer it was looking for and I entered 25.5 or 25.7 it would accept it. I guess that's why I believe I'm not actually close to the correct answer.
 
hdp12 said:
Hm, okay. Lemme work this out.
Units of torque?
τ = (#) N·m = (#) (kg·m·m/s·s) · m = (#) kg·m3·s-2
Try that again. What are the units of the Newton?
 
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jbriggs444 said:
Try that again. What are the units of the Newton?

Oh my..
N = kg·m/s2
I confused Newtons with Joules.
Wow.

So if α = τNET/I
= (τ123 )/ (0.5mR2)
= (0.6 J - 0.0872 J + 0.1258 J) / (0.5 · 3.6 kg · 0.24 m · 0.24 m) = 0.6383 J / 0.10368 kg·m2
= 6.16 (kg·kg-1·m2·m-2·s-2
= 6.16 ([STRIKE]kg·kg-1[/STRIKE]·[STRIKE]m2·m-2[/STRIKE]·s-2
= 6.16 /s2

Which I'm assuming is in radians. Woooow. Kickin myself haha.

And that is correct I just submitted it. Thank you SO much. So frustrating that it was literally such a little mistake but it confused me for HOURS.
 

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