Torque & Joules: Fact or Fiction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between torque and energy, specifically the units used to measure them, and the conceptual differences between torque and energy in the context of physics. Participants explore the definitions, units, and implications of measuring torque in Joules versus Newton-meters, as well as the application of these concepts in various scenarios, including linear and rotational motion.

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  • Debate/contested
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express doubt about the claim that torque can be measured in Joules, suggesting it is nonsensical and typically measured in Newton-meters (N-m).
  • Others argue that while the units of torque (N-m) and energy (J) are equivalent, their definitions and contexts of use are different.
  • There is a discussion about how energy is defined as the product of force and displacement, while torque involves the displacement between forces, leading to confusion over the term "displacement."
  • Some participants assert that torque does not require two forces, while others challenge this by referencing the concept of a couple in mechanics.
  • A question is raised about how work done by a torque is calculated, particularly in non-linear motion, prompting discussions about angular displacement and the relationship between linear and angular motion.
  • Participants reference external sources, such as Wikipedia, to clarify definitions and units, but there is no consensus on the interpretation of these sources.
  • Some participants note that torque can be misleadingly measured in Joules, emphasizing the importance of understanding the context in which these terms are used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether torque should be measured in Joules or Newton-meters, and there are competing views on the definitions and implications of torque and energy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate context for using these units.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of displacement in the context of torque and energy, and there are unresolved questions about the application of these concepts in rotational mechanics versus linear mechanics.

  • #31
A.T. said:
There is only one force in the definition of torque. So what "two forces" are you taking about?
I only studied torque in electromagnetism, what I know about is that when two equal forces opposite in direction and have different line of actions act on a coil, it's affected by a torque.
 
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  • #32
ElmorshedyDr said:
I only studied torque in electromagnetism, what I know about is that when two equal forces opposite in direction and have different line of actions act on a coil, it's affected by a torque.
Haven't you studied this?
 
  • #33
adjacent said:
Haven't you studied this?
No, I didn't study Torque in a mechanics class, it was a physics class and specifically in electromagnetism.
 
  • #34
ElmorshedyDr said:
I only studied torque in electromagnetism, what I know about is that when two equal forces opposite in direction and have different line of actions act on a coil, it's affected by a torque.
You are thinking of a couple, where two forces are used to create a torque without producing a net force. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couple_(mechanics)
 
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  • #37
ElmorshedyDr said:
Is the energy done by a couple is equal to zero ?
Why should it be zero?
If the rod starts rotating,it gains rotational kinetic energy.
 
  • #38
adjacent said:
Why should it be zero?

If the rod starts rotating,it gains rotational kinetic energy.
I have no idea about rotational mechanics, linear only.
 
  • #39
ElmorshedyDr said:
I have no idea about rotational mechanics, linear only.


You will have a very difficult time understanding toque thinking only about linear mechanics.
 

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