Torque of a structure in zero G (space shuttle)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of torque required to operate the payload bay doors of a space shuttle in a zero-gravity environment. Participants explore the relationship between torque, force, and distance, as well as the implications of the door's design on these calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the equation T = r * F * sin(deg) to relate torque, force, and distance, questioning whether the door's properties are relevant in zero gravity.
  • Another participant confirms that the equation is valid for calculating the force required to produce a desired torque, emphasizing that the door itself does not influence the torque generation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on what 'R' represents in the torque equation, suggesting it may be the radius of the torque shaft.
  • Further clarification indicates that 'R' is indeed the radius of the torque shaft if the force is applied to its surface, with the angle theta being 90 degrees in that case.
  • One participant mentions that the force is likely applied through a ring gear assembly inside the actuator, implying that the teeth of the shaft interact with the force application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the torque equation and the relevance of the radius of the torque shaft, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specifics of the force application and the role of the door's design.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the moment of inertia of the door and how it might affect the door's opening speed, which may depend on additional parameters not fully discussed.

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I am just brainstorming here, but I am wondering about the following:

Look at this picture of the payload bay doors on the space shuttle.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...tory_inside_the_Space_Shuttle_payload_bay.jpg

Each door has a torque shaft driven by an actuator. Let's say the required torque to drive the shaft is around 500 in-lb while the shuttle is in orbit.
If I know the angle that the door rotates from closed to open and the dimensions, can I solve for the force required for that torque? Is the correct equation T=r*F*sin(deg)? Do I even need to know any thing about the door itself since this is zero G? Or would I need the dimensions of the torque shaft?

If I am just making a rough estimate (very rough) would it be possible to solve this?

This is not homework, this is just for my personal gain in engineering knowledge. Any ideas, insults, etc, are welcome.
 
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I'm not sure what you're asking. If you are just asking what force is required at a given distance from an axis in order to produce a desired torque, then yes, torque = FRsin(theta) is all you need, where theta is the angle between the direction of the force and the line from the axis to the point where the force is applied (it's really F X R, where F and R are vectors). The door is irrelevant since that is what the torque acts upon, not what produces the torque.

If you want to know how fast the door will open up when acted upon by that torque, then yes, you need to know about the door, specifically its moment of inertia.
 
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I guess what I'm asking is what is the R? Is that the radius of the torque shaft? Since that is the item being directly driven by the actuator.
 
mongolianbbq said:
I guess what I'm asking is what is the R? Is that the radius of the torque shaft? Since that is the item being directly driven by the actuator.
That depends on where the force is being applied. If it's being applied to the surface of the torque shaft, say by a cable that has been wrapped around it, then yes, R is the radius of the shaft, and theta = 90 degrees.
 
I think the force is being applied via a ring gear assembly inside the actuator. So with the teeth of the shaft on the surface i guess the force is being applied to the surface.
Thanks!
 

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