Torque required to rotate this wheel?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the torque required to rotate a 30 kg wheel using a single-phase AC motor at a speed of 30-60 RPM. Participants explore the necessary motor rating and factors influencing torque, including the mechanism's design and operational conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the net torque required to maintain a constant speed is zero, but emphasizes that losses in the mechanism will require a non-zero applied torque to achieve and maintain speed.
  • Another participant suggests measuring the torque needed during operation, particularly at the end of the stroke when the highest torque is required, and mentions the potential use of a digital torque wrench.
  • There is a proposal to use gear reduction to allow for a smaller motor, along with the suggestion to replace the heavy wheel with a lighter component to facilitate this reduction.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the motor rating, asking if a 1HP or 2HP motor would be sufficient, while another suggests that a 0.25HP motor might be adequate for slow rotation.
  • Concerns are raised about the need to understand how quickly the wheel needs to change speed and the initial conditions of the wheel to accurately determine the required torque.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact torque required or the appropriate motor rating, with multiple competing views on how to approach the problem and differing opinions on the necessary specifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of additional factors such as lubrication, contact points, and the mechanism's efficiency, which are not fully detailed in the discussion.

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Dear experts,
I am an electrOnics engg and weak in mech parts .
please refer to the attached images of this hand machine,
The wheel at the top weighs 30 kg and is rotated through hand because of which the horizontal plate attached at the bottom moves down and cuts objects using die placed.

I want to rotate this wheel using single phase Ac motor at around 30-60 rpm but I have no idea of torque required and the rating of motor to buy.
Can anybody please help.
Wheel weight -30 KG
Wheel diameter - 60 cm

Thanks in advance, Please help
 

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The net torque required to turn a wheel at a constant rate is zero. Torque is a kind of force - do you remember Newton's Laws?

Losses in the mechanism tend to depend on speed, this is why you need a non-zero applied torque to maintain a constant speed. You want to use a motor to apply some torque. What is important here is how fast you want to get up to that speed - you'll want a throttle on the motor to keep it there.

Bottom line - the information is not enough to do a calculation - we need to know about the lubricant and the contact points and so on as well. You'll have to measure the required torque or the losses.
 
Thank Simon for replying.
 
Hi Simon,

I m planning to rotate the above wheel clockwise for 360 degrees and then anticlockwise for next 360 degree and repeating this pattern alternately, so definitely there will be some torque required.
This alternate rotation I will be doing eith the help microcontroller and relay.

If you can just give a rough idea about what rating motor should I buy, whether it is 1HP or 2HP.
Or whether 2 HP mottor will be sufficient to rotate the wheel ?
 
I think it would be easiest to just measure the torque needed as the press is applied by hand. The highest torque will be right towards the end of the stroke, and will be determined by how much output force you need to apply, and the ratio and efficiency of the screw.

If you can use a digital torque wrench to drive the wheel to see how much torque is being used, you will have a number to work with.

If you put a gear reduction on it, a much smaller motor can be used, of course, and you will probably be best off just replacing that heavy wheel with a lighter large diameter gear, pulley or sprocket, and using that as your reduction gear/belt/chain drive.
 
ravinaval said:
Hi Simon,

I m planning to rotate the above wheel clockwise for 360 degrees and then anticlockwise for next 360 degree and repeating this pattern alternately, so definitely there will be some torque required.
Of course there will be - you are not paying attention: torque causes acceleration.

This alternate rotation I will be doing eith the help microcontroller and relay.

If you can just give a rough idea about what rating motor should I buy, whether it is 1HP or 2HP.
Or whether 2 HP mottor will be sufficient to rotate the wheel ?
Probably a 0.25hp motor will turn the wheel - slowly.
Please pay attention - to know about the torque required, we need to know about how still the wheel is and how quickly you want it to change it's speed.

You are best to just measure it.
 

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