Total heat capacity of an monatomic gas?

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The discussion revolves around the total heat capacity of a monatomic gas in the context of a light bulb filled with gas, where the temperature changes from 20 degrees Celsius to 200 degrees Celsius. Participants are exploring the relationship between specific heat capacities (Cv and Cp) and how they relate to the total heat capacity in this scenario.

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  • Participants are questioning whether the total heat capacity should be calculated as the sum of Cv and Cp or just Cp. There is also discussion about the correct application of the ideal gas law and the need for absolute temperature in calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the importance of using absolute temperatures and have prompted others to clarify their reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculating heat capacities and pressures, with various interpretations being discussed.

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Participants note that the temperatures were initially given in degrees Celsius, which may affect calculations. There is also mention of the fixed volume of the bulb and the pressure change associated with the temperature increase.

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when working this out, is it just Cv + Cp? giving 4nR?

thanks
 
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Please use the provided template. We can not help unless we know the exact question that was given to you - sometimes, even a minor rewording of the question can confuse matters.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Please use the provided template. We can not help unless we know the exact question that was given to you - sometimes, even a minor rewording of the question can confuse matters.


Sorry - I wasnt really trying to find the answer to the question. It was more of a: if it says the total heat capacity, does it mean Cv + Cp or just Cp (because this is bigger).

However the question was:

a light bulb at 20 degrees is filled with a monatomic gas, as a pressure of 76e3 Pa. When the bulb is switched on the temp changed to 200 degrees.

a) what is the pressure of the gas at this temp.

I realized that i had to use pv = nrt, since the volume is fixed the pressure must also go up by a s.f. of 10.

b) if the volume of the bulb is 125cm^3, estimate the total heat capacity.

So I rearanged the ideal gas law and found there to be 2.4 moles. All I was unsure about was at the point, do I work out Cv = 3/2nR + Cp = 5/2nR and sum them?
 
coffeem said:
Sorry - I wasnt really trying to find the answer to the question. It was more of a: if it says the total heat capacity, does it mean Cv + Cp or just Cp (because this is bigger).

However the question was:

a light bulb at 20 degrees is filled with a monatomic gas, as a pressure of 76e3 Pa. When the bulb is switched on the temp changed to 200 degrees.

a) what is the pressure of the gas at this temp.

I realized that i had to use pv = nrt, since the volume is fixed the pressure must also go up by a s.f. of 10.
This isn't correct unless the temperatures were given in units of K or R, which is unlikely given the numbers involved.
b) if the volume of the bulb is 125cm^3, estimate the total heat capacity.

So I rearanged the ideal gas law and found there to be 2.4 moles. All I was unsure about was at the point, do I work out Cv = 3/2nR + Cp = 5/2nR and sum them?
No, the question is asking for how much heat the bulb must absorb to raise its temperature by 1 degree.

By the way, don't write "Cv = 3/2nR + Cp = 5/2nR" unless you really mean that Cv=5/2nR and Cp=R because that's what it means. I know a lot of students tend to do this, but it's really sloppy notation and often leads to mistakes.
 
vela said:
This isn't correct unless the temperatures were given in units of K or R, which is unlikely given the numbers involved.

No, the question is asking for how much heat the bulb must absorb to raise its temperature by 1 degree.

By the way, don't write "Cv = 3/2nR + Cp = 5/2nR" unless you really mean that Cv=5/2nR and Cp=R because that's what it means. I know a lot of students tend to do this, but it's really sloppy notation and often leads to mistakes.

Your corrct it was in degrees celsius.

Umm... how would I go about working that out then? thanks
 
Try taking a stab at it and posting your attempt here. You have the right idea for part a; you just have to use the absolute temperatures, i.e. convert them to K.
 
OK.

So I have converte the temps to K:

T1 = 293K
T2 = 473K

So T2/T1 = 1.61

So by my reasoning the pressure will now be: 12.3ee4Pa

However how do I go about doing the second part? thanks
 
Ok doing this more properly now. I get the pressure to be: 12.3ee4Pa

Which gives me 0.39moles.

So working out: Cv = 3/2nR = 4.86? is this correct?
 
No, because you didn't specify any units.
 

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