Total Precipitable Water Vapor (TQV) and Precipitable Water Vapor (PWV)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between Total Precipitable Water Vapor (TPW) and Precipitable Water Vapor (PWV), including their definitions, units of measurement, and potential differences. The context includes theoretical understanding and practical application, particularly in relation to data from MERRA-2.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that TPW (kg/m2) and PWV (mm) are equivalent, noting that 1 kg/m2 corresponds to 1 mm of water.
  • Others argue that while TPW and PWV can be related through the density of water, they represent different concepts: TPW is a mass measurement, while PWV is a volume measurement expressed as a depth of water.
  • One participant questions whether PWV and TQV are the same, suggesting that they are not, as they have different names and definitions.
  • Another participant asserts that TPW is more accurate and temperature independent, while PWV is less accurate but indicates potential rainfall.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether TPW and PWV are the same, with differing views on their equivalence and definitions. The relationship between PWV and TQV also remains contested.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and implications of TPW, PWV, and TQV, as well as the context in which these measurements are applied. The discussion includes varying interpretations of accuracy and relevance in practical scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in meteorology, hydrology, or data analysis related to atmospheric sciences, particularly those working with precipitation data and its implications.

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Total Precipitable Water Vapor (TQV) and Precipitable Water Vapor (PWV) and what is the difference between them and can one be converted to the other?
I found an opinion that TPW (kg/m2) and PWV (mm) are the same thing, but I only found that kg/m2 = 1 mm and did not find any sources confirming that TPW=PWV. How valid is this? And if they are different things, how do you calculate PWV?

P.S. In general, I need to get the PWV from the data of the MERRA-2, maybe there is another request that you can tell me
 
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I assume you are reasonably proficient with google or some other search engine. Can you provide links ? To us
Melra said:
I found an opinion
can be anything from the supreme court to someone's five year old nephew !

I find the NASA website pretty impressive; surely they must clearly define what the data represents ?

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Melra said:
I found an opinion that TPW (kg/m2) and PWV (mm) are the same thing, but I only found that kg/m2 = 1 mm and did not find any sources confirming that TPW=PWV. How valid is this?
It is valid.
Based on the density of water, they are equivalent.
1 m3 of water weighs 1000 kg.
1 mm per m2 is 1 litre, which weighs 1 kg.

So they are the same, but one is specified as a mass, the other as a volume, specified as a depth of water. I am ignoring the coefficient of thermal expansion.
 
Baluncore said:
So they are the same
Okay, they can be reduced to one dimension. But are PWV and TQV the same thing?
 
Melra said:
But are PWV and TQV the same thing?
Obviously not. They have different names.

TPW is more accurate, and temperature independent, it specifies precipitate by mass in kg/m2.

PWV is not as accurate, but it tells us how much rain we might get, since rainfall is also measured in mm, over an unspecified area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precipitable_water
 

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