Total Precipitable Water Vapor (TQV) and Precipitable Water Vapor (PWV)

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Total Precipitable Water Vapor (TPW) and Precipitable Water Vapor (PWV) are not the same, despite common misconceptions. TPW is measured in kg/m² and represents the mass of water vapor, while PWV is measured in mm and indicates the potential depth of water if all vapor were to condense. The equivalence of 1 kg/m² to 1 mm is valid due to the density of water, but this does not imply that TPW and PWV are interchangeable. For accurate precipitation estimates, TPW is preferred due to its temperature independence.

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  • Understanding of meteorological concepts such as Total Precipitable Water Vapor (TPW) and Precipitable Water Vapor (PWV)
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  • Basic knowledge of water density and its implications in meteorological calculations
  • Experience with MERRA-2 data retrieval and analysis
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Total Precipitable Water Vapor (TQV) and Precipitable Water Vapor (PWV) and what is the difference between them and can one be converted to the other?
I found an opinion that TPW (kg/m2) and PWV (mm) are the same thing, but I only found that kg/m2 = 1 mm and did not find any sources confirming that TPW=PWV. How valid is this? And if they are different things, how do you calculate PWV?

P.S. In general, I need to get the PWV from the data of the MERRA-2, maybe there is another request that you can tell me
 
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I assume you are reasonably proficient with google or some other search engine. Can you provide links ? To us
Melra said:
I found an opinion
can be anything from the supreme court to someone's five year old nephew !

I find the NASA website pretty impressive; surely they must clearly define what the data represents ?

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Melra said:
I found an opinion that TPW (kg/m2) and PWV (mm) are the same thing, but I only found that kg/m2 = 1 mm and did not find any sources confirming that TPW=PWV. How valid is this?
It is valid.
Based on the density of water, they are equivalent.
1 m3 of water weighs 1000 kg.
1 mm per m2 is 1 litre, which weighs 1 kg.

So they are the same, but one is specified as a mass, the other as a volume, specified as a depth of water. I am ignoring the coefficient of thermal expansion.
 
Baluncore said:
So they are the same
Okay, they can be reduced to one dimension. But are PWV and TQV the same thing?
 
Melra said:
But are PWV and TQV the same thing?
Obviously not. They have different names.

TPW is more accurate, and temperature independent, it specifies precipitate by mass in kg/m2.

PWV is not as accurate, but it tells us how much rain we might get, since rainfall is also measured in mm, over an unspecified area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precipitable_water
 

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