Trace of higher powers of Density Matrix

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the trace of higher powers of the density matrix in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of the Quantum Liouville Equation. Participants explore the conservation of these traces over time and the implications of the dimension of the density matrix.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation showing that the trace of the density matrix raised to any integer power k is conserved, suggesting that Tr(ρ^k) is invariant under evolution for k ≥ 1.
  • Another participant agrees with the correctness of the derivation, particularly for a time-independent Hamiltonian (H), noting that the diagonal elements of ρ and its powers remain time-independent in the energy basis.
  • A participant questions the assertion that only N-1 conserved quantities exist, where N is the dimension of the density matrix, arguing that their calculations indicate all higher powers should be conserved.
  • Another participant responds by explaining that the requirement Tr(ρ) = 1 leads to only N-1 independent eigenvalues, which can be considered the independent conserved quantities.
  • There is confusion regarding the conservation of Tr(ρ^k H^m) for k, m = 0, 1, ..., N-1, with participants discussing the implications of diagonal elements being time-independent in the energy basis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conservation of Tr(ρ^k) for k = 1, 2, ..., N-1 in the context of a time-independent Hamiltonian. However, there is disagreement regarding the conservation of higher powers beyond N-1 and the implications of the trace involving Hamiltonian powers.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Cayley-Hamilton theorem and the dimensionality of the density matrix, which may influence their arguments about the conservation of traces. The discussion does not resolve the conditions under which these properties hold.

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Hi,

The Quantum Liouville Equation is [itex]\dot{\rho} = \frac{i}{\hbar}[\rho, H][/itex] where the dot denotes the partial derivative with respect to time [itex]t[/itex]. We take [itex]\hbar = 1[/itex] hereafter for convenience.

[tex] Tr(\dot{\rho}) = 0[/tex]

Consider [itex]Tr(\rho^2)[/itex] Differentiating with respect to time,

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial t}Tr(\rho^2) = Tr(2 \dot{\rho}\rho) = Tr(2 i[\rho, H]\rho) = 2i\,Tr((\rho H - H\rho)\rho) = 2i\,Tr(\rho H \rho - H\rho\rho) = 0[/tex]

where we have used [itex]Tr(A B) = Tr(B A)[/itex] to arrive at the last equality, assuming that we are dealing with finite dimensional operators. Hence [itex]Tr(\rho^2)[/itex] is conserved.} Next, we consider [itex]Tr(\rho^3)[/itex]. Differentiating with time, as above, we get

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial t}Tr(\rho^3) = Tr(3 \rho^2 \dot{\rho})= 3i\,Tr(\rho^2 [\rho, H])= 3i\,Tr(\rho^2 \rho H - \rho^2 H\rho) = 0[/tex]

More generally,

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial t}Tr(\rho^k) = Tr(k \rho^{k-1} \dot{\rho}} = 0[/tex]

which holds for arbitrary integer [itex]k \geq 1[/itex]. Hence [itex]Tr(\rho^k)[/itex] is conserved for [itex]k \geq 1[/itex].

My analysis suggests that the trace of [itex]\rho^k[/itex] is invariant under evolution even for k > N, where N is the dimension of [itex]\rho[/itex].

Does this seem correct? I read somewhere that [itex]Tr(\rho^k)[/itex] is invariant for k = 1, 2, ..., N-1, where N is the dimension of [itex]\rho[/itex], and further that if [itex]H[/itex] is time-independent (we didn't use this above) then, [itex]Tr(\rho^k H^l)[/itex] is invariant for [itex]k,l = 0, 1, \ldots N-1[/itex]. How does this arise? I know it has to do with Cayley Hamilton theorem, but I don't understand why there ought to be an upper bound on the powers?
 
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I believe it's correct. It's definitely correct for a time-independent H. In that case, you can write rho in the energy basis, and it's easy to see that the diagonal elements of rho (and any power of rho) are time independent.
 
Avodyne said:
I believe it's correct. It's definitely correct for a time-independent H. In that case, you can write rho in the energy basis, and it's easy to see that the diagonal elements of rho (and any power of rho) are time independent.

Thanks Avodyne. But why are there only (N-1) conserved quantities, where N is the dimension of the density matrix? My calculation suggests that the trace of all higher powers of the density matrix should be conserved.

Also, I don't get the part about [itex]Tr(\rho^k H^m)[/itex] being conserved for k, m = 0, 1, ..., N-1.
 
maverick280857 said:
Thanks Avodyne. But why are there only (N-1) conserved quantities, where N is the dimension of the density matrix? My calculation suggests that the trace of all higher powers of the density matrix should be conserved.
Since we require [itex]Tr(\rho)=1[/itex], there are only N-1 independent eigenvalues of [itex]\rho[/itex]. These can be taken to be the N-1 independent conserved quantities.
maverick280857 said:
Also, I don't get the part about [itex]Tr(\rho^k H^m)[/itex] being conserved for k, m = 0, 1, ..., N-1.
Again it's true for all k,m, by the same argument: in the energy basis, the diagonal elements of [itex]\rho^k[/itex] are time independent. Also, [itex]H^m[/itex] is diagonal and time independent, and hence the diagonal elements of [itex]\rho^k H^m[/itex] are time independent.
 

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