Trajectories never cross in phase-space

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The discussion revolves around the concept of trajectories in phase space, particularly in the context of autonomous ordinary differential equations (ODEs). Participants explore the implications of trajectory uniqueness and its relationship to volume conservation in phase space for closed systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that in the context of autonomous ODEs, each initial condition in phase space corresponds to a unique trajectory, preventing trajectories from crossing.
  • It is noted that if trajectories were to cross, it would imply multiple solutions to the initial-value problem, contradicting the conditions set by the Picard–Lindelöf theorem.
  • Participants discuss the physical interpretation, suggesting that knowing the coordinates and momenta at a given time uniquely determines the future state of the system.
  • A question is raised about whether the uniqueness of trajectories is the reason for volume conservation in phase space for closed systems.
  • Another participant counters that volume conservation is specifically due to the structure of Hamiltonian systems and does not solely arise from the uniqueness of solutions to the initial-value problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the uniqueness of trajectories in phase space for autonomous ODEs, but there is disagreement regarding the relationship between trajectory uniqueness and volume conservation in phase space.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on specific mathematical conditions (e.g., Lipschitz conditions) and the structure of Hamiltonian systems, which may not be fully explored or resolved in the conversation.

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I heard this statement from time to time, but what does it really mean?
 
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Higgsono said:
I heard this statement from time to time, but what does it really mean?
In the context of autonomous ordinary differential equations (ODEs) it means that given any initial condition ##x_0## in phase space there exists a unique trajectory passing through ##x_0##.

If different trajectories were to cross at ##x_0##, this would imply that the initial-value problem for the ODE would admit multiple solutions on some (possibly small) time interval. When the right-hand side of the ODE admits an appropriate mathematical (Lipschitz) condition, this cannot happen by e.g. the Picard–Lindelöf theorem on the existence of unique local solutions to ODE.

Physically, e.g. in a mechanical context, it means that once the coordinates and momenta at a certain time are known, the future state (i.e. the future coordinates and momenta) of the system is uniquely determined.
 
Krylov said:
In the context of autonomous ordinary differential equations (ODEs) it means that given any initial condition ##x_0## in phase space there exists a unique trajectory passing through ##x_0##.

If different trajectories were to cross at ##x_0##, this would imply that the initial-value problem for the ODE would admit multiple solutions on some (possibly small) time interval. When the right-hand side of the ODE admits an appropriate mathematical (Lipschitz) condition, this cannot happen by e.g. the Picard–Lindelöf theorem on the existence of unique local solutions to ODE.

Physically, e.g. in a mechanical context, it means that once the coordinates and momenta at a certain time are known, the future state (i.e. the future coordinates and momenta) of the system is uniquely determined.

Is this the reason that the volume in phase-space for a closed system is conserved? I mean, the only way the volume could change for a closed system would be for the trajectories to cross or merge or split into more then one.
 
Higgsono said:
Is this the reason that the volume in phase-space for a closed system is conserved?
No, volume conservation is due to the specific structure of, say, time-independent Hamiltonian systems. It does not follow from uniqueness of solutions to the initial-value problem alone.
 

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