Transfer function of flow measurement system HELP

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The discussion revolves around deriving the transfer function of a volumetric flow measurement system. Participants explore relevant equations and concepts related to fluid dynamics, pressure differences, and the dynamics of the system components.

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  • One participant presents equations related to force, flow, and pressure, attempting to derive the transfer function but expresses difficulty in further manipulation.
  • Another participant notes the importance of pressure differences on the transducer and their contribution to the force on the transducer plate.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the origin of a specific term (2Mf/k . A^2/a^2) in the equations and seeks guidance.
  • One participant shares their progress in deriving an equation relating displacement to pressure difference and flow, but questions the introduction of the A^2/a^2 term.
  • Another participant suggests considering smaller diameter pipes as obstructions affecting pressure differences, indicating that fluid dynamics may complicate the relationships between pressures at different points in the system.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views and ongoing confusion regarding specific terms and their origins in the equations.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions, particularly regarding the introduction of specific terms in the equations and the assumptions about fluid flow through different parts of the system.

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Transfer function of flow measurement system HELP!

1.

I have attached the question, which is to derive the transfer function of a volumetric flow measurement system...

2.

I know of the following relevant equations:

F = Ma = MD^2.x

Flow f = area x velocity

and f through a restriction f = C(p2-p1)

Also Force F = pressure x Area

3.

When considering the Mass alone I have

Sum of forces F = F - kx - BDx = MD^2.x

therefore x/F = 1 / K + BD + MD^2

and finally, x/F = (1/k) / 1 + (B/k)D + (M/k)D^2




However I am struggling to break the problem down further. Which parts of the system do I also need to consider and how do I go about manipulation of the equations to derive the transfer function...??

Your help is very much appreciated.
 

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You have an equation relating pressure difference to volumetric flow. The pressure on each side of the transducer would have a contribution to force on the transducer plate.
 


I am still struggling with this one I am afraid. I can't figure out where the 2Mf/k . A^2/a^2 term originates from...

Some guidance would be very much appreciated...
 


Ok this is where I have solved to thus far:

I have the equation x/F = 1 / (k + BD + MD^2)

but F = Pressure x Area

so Pressure difference on transducer mass P2 - P3 x Area = Force (F)

therefore,

x / A (P2-P3) = 1 / (k + BD + MD^2)

and then,

x / (P2 - P3) = A / (k + BD + MD^2)

then finally divide rhs of equation by k to give,

x / (P2 - P3) = A/k / ((1 + B/k(D) + M/k(D^2))

My next equation of (P2 - P3)C = f

so substituting this in gives,

x/flow = A/CK / ((1 + B/k(D) + M/k(D^2))

BUT where does the A^2 / a^2 term come in...??

Any pointers?

Thanks
 


I would guess this.
You may consider the smaller diameter pipes to be obstructions. Whenever the plate would be in motion [itex]\left( \frac{dx}{dt} \neq 0 \right)[/itex] then fluid would be flowing through these pipes. Thus p1 would not be equal to p2 and p3 would not be equal to p4.

Even though fluid would not pass through the plate, you may consider the path through both smaller pipes as one flow.
 

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