Transfer of electricity wihout loss safely.

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using fast-moving hydrogen ions in a vacuum-sealed glass tube for electricity transfer. Participants express skepticism regarding the efficiency of this method, highlighting significant energy losses due to radiation and heat, particularly over long distances. The challenges of maintaining a high current beam of protons or electrons, including dispersion and guidance, further undermine the proposed concept. Traditional metal wires are deemed superior for electricity transfer due to their reliability and minimal power loss.

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  • Understanding of ion transport and behavior in vacuum environments.
  • Knowledge of energy loss mechanisms in electrical systems, including radiation and heat dissipation.
  • Familiarity with the principles of fuel cells and hydrogen production.
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can we use fast moving hydrogen ions in long glass tube which are practically vacuum for transfer of electricity. the hydrogen ions are produced by consuming energy and when they reach the destination(electrode) they form hydrogen gas and give electricity.
 
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I doubt that you get a reasonable efficiency even for short ranges. In addition, I don't see how "and give electricity" works. Sure, you can use something similar to a fuel cell, but then you lose most of the energy to radiation and finally heat.
With long ranges, you get additional losses - you would need a significant charge in that tube, the protons would repel each other and attract electrons from the environment.

No, I cannot see how this should work in any reasonable way.
 
A high current beam of protons or electrons is very difficult to produce, to guide and to stop it from dispersing and hitting the sides of a tube. Then you would need to get it round bends . . . . .
Metal wires do this and more so much better and need no maintenance, no vacuum and lose very little power. Were you proposing a tube to return the 'used' Hydrogen atoms back up to the other end again?
But all credit for trying to think laterally! :smile:
 

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